Bonjour Wisbech.

How are your onions this morning?

Oh, you must still be eating them.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Jun 2024 9.58am)

Indeed. It’s about living the values and living the place you’re making home. If you want to bring your Gods, attitudes and culture and try to reverse them into the English one, established over many centuries, then stay where you are as you can do it there.

I’d love to move to Greece, I would not move there and insist they change their culture to suit me nor would I expect them to be happy if I tried - because if I wanted that I’d probably stay here.

Being English is very much love of the country, its values, its attitudes and being prepared to fight for that. People with heritage generally do that but increasingly we have many weak ‘heritage’ English people who would rather virtue signal and stand up for people that don’t share our values and who wouldnt stand shoulder to shoulder with them in battle than support our culture and way of life. Sadly this only has a bad ending for me.

It isn't too hard to understand really, unless your name is Monsieur Wisbech.

The Romans : 400 BC to 200 AD.....tough, hardworking, cruel, clever, cunning, sneaky, sober, sexually a hetero Patriarchal society, self-sacrificing for the State, selfless, arrogant, superior, innovative, with religious certainty in their veins.

The Romans : 200 AD to 472 AD.....the opposite to all of the above.

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The English : 500 AD to 1956

The English : 1956 to today ?

Same decadence, different Empire.

The OP asks What is Englishness. I reply, what years are you mindful of ? The Battle of Britain or the Loss of Luton ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

I would argue that if you partake of the state then the social contract means that this attitude is a little lop-sided.

The state thinks this too as if there were a major war and you were of conscription age (and those age rules are malleable to the state's needs as we have seen in the Ukraine-Russia war) then you would be forced to fight for the country and possibly lose your life for it. That happened in Britain in both world wars....many people who didn't agree with the war or want to fight weren't given a free choice.

The social contract exists.....it's often abused by the state when it deems it convenient and it's abused by citizens/subjects as well.

However, within a successful state (which we aren't )both pay that due.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2024 1.32pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

We have already determined that it cannot be, or the King isn’t English and neither are either you or me.

According to your reasoning the perfect Englishman who is described cannot be English because his background is in one of the 371 ethnicities in Nigeria which another declares couldn’t possibly have any English connections. Even though the English made rather a lot of connections in Nigeria!

Judging anybody solely on their genetic composition is as inaccurate as it is foolish. Only behaviour matters.

There are many groups in the UK whose behaviour I regard as thoroughly anti-British. Most of them not being recent immigrants.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.