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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Empirical evidence from one source is used to justify a sweeping claim? There’s lots of more reliable evidence from here and elsewhere which contradicts it. Most immigrants to the UK come here either on work or student visas. Hardly dropping to any socioeconomic pile. Some others, especially the illegals, are poor and feeling disconnected will naturally form groups. Some may turn to crime. We must do our best to support them and avoid those consequences. Would this be the approach? ...securing our borders will include: Smashing the criminal gangs by using counter-terror style tactics, using the full force of Britain’s intelligence and policing to destroy the evil business model of human trafficking.
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Originally posted by silvertop
I will ignore the hysterical express type garbage of individual They drop straight to the bottom of the socioeconomic pile. They are poor and disconnected to the culture around them. They cling together in collectives, some good some bad. Albanians maybe. But I doubt many members of criminal Somali gangs saw their future as low level gangster when they got off the plane. Imagine having such an awful opinion of the native people of this island, a people that defeated Julius Caesar leaving him lucky to escape with his life, the Anglo Saxons who literally gave the world everything it has today, a people that oversaw the rise of an empire that no nation has ever matched, England's efforts to end the slave trade, a people that were victorious in two world wars. It's not the native English that are dragging this country down but our useless leaders who see it's people as you do.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Immigration is fixing most of the issues. The NHS is being staffed and the strain reduced What about those immigrants not working, are they paying more tax and NI than the benefits they claim? And the housing for the immigrants and their families NOT working. How about the £9M per day simply to house the illegals that have arrived. As for the bit about crime, I cant ever take anything you say seriously again! I have worked in Law & Order for over 35 years and see daily, first hand, the horrendous issues that immigration (both legal & illegal) has brought to these shores. And it has got considerably worse since the ‘small boats’ started arriving in numbers. Edited by Phil’s Barber (08 Jun 2024 11.39pm)
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
"Asylum seeker whose deportation was stopped by cabin crew raped 15-year-old girl" But yes immigration does not bring crime........ pesky fact
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Originally posted by silvertop
I will ignore the hysterical express type garbage of individual They drop straight to the bottom of the socioeconomic pile. They are poor and disconnected to the culture around them. They cling together in collectives, some good some bad. Most put us to shame with their work rate and energy and dreams for a better life for their kids. Some aren't so effective and drop into crime. Albanians maybe. But I doubt many members of criminal Somali gangs saw their future as low level gangster when they got off the plane. Who is us? This is Abbott-esque racist rhetoric. Perhaps change "us " to me
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Who is us? This is Abbott-esque racist rhetoric. Perhaps change "us " to me And yet another way of putting it could be ,,," I want what you've had to work for generations to get. And I want it all now"
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Penny Mordaunt being named as a contender to replace Rishi. Obviously, just media speculation, but I think the election is already lost for a change of PM to see any difference in the outcome.
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Who is us? This is Abbott-esque racist rhetoric. Perhaps change "us " to me Contradicting himself too. "I will ignore the hysterical express type garbage of individual immigrants committing crimes" He is comfortable with the amount of imported crime the rest of the UK has to tolerate & certainly not prepared to tarnish all with the same brush. "Most put us to shame with their work rate and energy" Tars the indigenous population with the same brush. Never ever accept the mass rape of children, acid attacks, honour killings, desecration of churches, no go zones et all as normal as Silvertop does. Edited by Ouzo Dan (09 Jun 2024 7.59am) Edited by Ouzo Dan (09 Jun 2024 8.07am)
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Originally posted by Badger11
Immigration has heavily been weighted to young men. Most crime is committed by young men ergo if you increase the proportion of blond haired blue eyed young men crime will go up. I don't see this as a racist issue more about demographics. If we imported 600k pensioners each year would anyone be surprised if the number of hip and knee replacements went up. Quite.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Here's my problem with this highlighted thought. If we accept your contention that foreign immigrants work harder....and I think there are many nuances to that argument...but ok. Why should I care? Are you making arguments for the business lobby here or for the British people. Shall we give the country away to the world's hardest workers around the world so that those that can exploit that labour live easier lives? No, in my opinion...and if I don't mind saying so myself....the opinion of most non western countries and in Britain up until Blair, a social contract should exist within societies that their leaders bat for them....not imports. As for the point regarding crime and immigration being due to socioeconomic issues....to a lesser extent that explains it....you also touch on the cultural disconnect which is also true. However, the reality is that if you divide crime down to ethnicities you find that poor whites commit crime at lower levels wherever you look within societies. Poor whites commit crime at lower rates aboard as well....the only exception I believe is for south east Asians who have the very lowest crime rates....and they are raised within homogeneous societies. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2024 9.05pm) I'm being boringly repetitive here, but an aging population being served by a dwindling workforce with tech only part filling the gap... The solution is free movement of labour from Europe. But you voted against that. So we have as the only options training the current crop (Labour) which is largely over optimistic as the best ones are taken in the labour market; or those young men from Asia and Africa who have worked to save their equivalent of a house and have walked continental distances for work. Not a bad CV. Covid was a warning shot of the NHS on over stretch with diminished resources. With the demographic shifts continuing that is our near future normal if we don't improve output and productivity from the workforce. I am aware of the problems of irreversible cultural changes but other than rejoining the EU with appropriate conditions I see no easy solution. Voting Reform is not it. They plan to reduce immigration to net zero, which will not solve the demographic ticking bomb. And it will fail. Like the kid with his finger in the dyke.
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Originally posted by silvertop
I'm being boringly repetitive here, but an aging population being served by a dwindling workforce with tech only part filling the gap... The solution is free movement of labour from Europe. But you voted against that. Covid was a warning shot of the NHS on over stretch with diminished resources. With the demographic shifts continuing that is our near future normal if we don't improve output and productivity from the workforce. I am aware of the problems of irreversible cultural changes but other than rejoining the EU with appropriate conditions I see no easy solution. Voting Reform is not it. They plan to reduce immigration to net zero, which will not solve the demographic ticking bomb. And it will fail. Like the kid with his finger in the dyke. AI and robotics is already impacting the workforce. To continue with the high levels of immigration is just storing up trouble. If we are not careful we will soon have high levels of unemployment. As this will also impact the EU people will look to where they can get a job, remember 1997 and Blair's tens of thousands which turned out to be millions. Immigration has to be manged, I actually agree with Labour and the Tories that it is pointless to put a political number on it e.g. net zero. However it should come down dramatically from the current levels and be targetted to the healthcare sector and other specific roles. I quite like the idea Reform has of taxing certain industries if they employ migrants e.g. MacDonalds and Starbucks as these are jobs that can and should be done by people who are already here. Edited by Badger11 (09 Jun 2024 9.04am) Edited by Badger11 (09 Jun 2024 9.46am)
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Empirical evidence from one source is used to justify a sweeping claim? There’s lots of more reliable evidence from here and elsewhere which contradicts it. Most immigrants to the UK come here either on work or student visas. Hardly dropping to any socioeconomic pile. Some others, especially the illegals, are poor and feeling disconnected will naturally form groups. Some may turn to crime. We must do our best to support them and avoid those consequences. The Danish evidence was a thorough and scientifically respected report. The one point is the report stated the blooming obvious. The other issue is that there are not enough of those reports as such analysis is condemned as racist. And I suspect those views on here who want a high wall to all immigrants including students and French bankers are not only at odds with Farage but with basic common sense. I hope we are not talking about them.
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