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Mapletree Croydon 05 Jun 24 9.58pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I would actually agree that the biggest factor with water has been privatisation. I will also tell you that here a lot of the water is brown. Most in Ireland will not drink the tap water. So we nationalised it - it was up to individual corporations before (councils to you). It hasn't improved although they're spending billions on new infrastructure - which is presumably mainly made out of brown envelopes as is our wont. I pay 15 a quarter for an under sink filter system. I will say the company (Gulp water) are excellent and at 15 a quarter I don't miss it. Everyone, and I mean everyone does that. Although, rurally you could quite easily have your own well. The funniest part when they tried to privatise water in Ireland (firstly by charging for it) was the politician who stated "water doesn't just fall from the sky'! You'd wonder if he'd ever actually been in Ireland between his junkets. It was one thing the Irish people would not take - water charges. We got together, for a change, and beat it. It's like charging Saudis for sand. The quote was ‘’Water is a finite resource … water needs to be paid for, it costs - it doesn't just fall out of the sky, it has to be purified."
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Croydon 05 Jun 24 9.58pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I would actually agree that the biggest factor with water has been privatisation. I will also tell you that here a lot of the water is brown. Most in Ireland will not drink the tap water. So we nationalised it - it was up to individual corporations before (councils to you). It hasn't improved although they're spending billions on new infrastructure - which is presumably mainly made out of brown envelopes as is our wont. I pay 15 a quarter for an under sink filter system. I will say the company (Gulp water) are excellent and at 15 a quarter I don't miss it. Everyone, and I mean everyone does that. Although, rurally you could quite easily have your own well.
The funniest part when they tried to privatise water in Ireland (firstly by charging for it) was the politician who stated "water doesn't just fall from the sky'! You'd wonder if he'd ever actually been in Ireland between his junkets. It was one thing the Irish people would not take - water charges. We got together, for a change, and beat it. It's like charging Saudis for sand.

The quote was ‘’Water is a finite resource … water needs to be paid for, it costs - it doesn't just fall out of the sky, it has to be purified."

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georgenorman 05 Jun 24 10.34pm
Originally posted by Matov The reason the Right do not have much power in Europe is because they all act far too unilaterally. For example Le Pen announcing that she will not work with the AfD in Germany. This is the biggest weakness. The Deep State operates across borders. The Right is still far too focused on, and I make no apologies for stealing language from the Left, 'flag-shagging'. The problems we collectively face are the same in almost every country in Europe. And yes, I am as guilty as anybody else of this in the past. But we need to start acting far more collectively and cohesively and not allowing the kind of divide and rule tactics are opponents are experts at. The problems native Europeans face in Birmingham or Berlin or Bordeaux are primarily the same. Third-world replacement driven by globalist forces. And all whilst our brothers slaughter each other in Ukraine at the behest of the same people. This has to stop. If the Dissident Right in the EU can somehow unite and work together than I would be all in favour of us rejoining. Because separately, we are all screwed. I was referring to the lack of power of all MEPs. They cannot propose or frame laws, they have about as much influence as members of the North Korean Peoples Assembly.
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05 Jun 24 10.34pm

Originally posted by Matov

The reason the Right do not have much power in Europe is because they all act far too unilaterally. For example Le Pen announcing that she will not work with the AfD in Germany. This is the biggest weakness.

The Deep State operates across borders. The Right is still far too focused on, and I make no apologies for stealing language from the Left, 'flag-shagging'.

The problems we collectively face are the same in almost every country in Europe.

And yes, I am as guilty as anybody else of this in the past. But we need to start acting far more collectively and cohesively and not allowing the kind of divide and rule tactics are opponents are experts at.

The problems native Europeans face in Birmingham or Berlin or Bordeaux are primarily the same. Third-world replacement driven by globalist forces. And all whilst our brothers slaughter each other in Ukraine at the behest of the same people.

This has to stop.

If the Dissident Right in the EU can somehow unite and work together than I would be all in favour of us rejoining. Because separately, we are all screwed.

I was referring to the lack of power of all MEPs. They cannot propose or frame laws, they have about as much influence as members of the North Korean Peoples Assembly.

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Matov 05 Jun 24 10.45pm
Originally posted by georgenorman I was referring to the lack of power of all MEPs. They cannot propose or frame laws, they have about as much influence as members of the North Korean Peoples Assembly. Whilst I fully understand what you are getting at, the reality is that some power, even if it is just by dint of making it to the Parliament, has to mean something. I do not believe any viable solution to the problems we all face will be found via the liberal democratic process. But electoral success, all be it of the superficial kind, can promote a wider ethos that can then be utilised when enough people realise that there votes are meaningless. Perhaps the only thing about this current farce of our own GE is how many people are now so thoroughly disillusioned that they are will not vote. Even a vote for Reform will help because it is more than possible they will get more votes than the Tories (and the Greens and Lib Dems combined) and not win a single seat. Which again is what I feel is needed. This is no longer going to settled by the ballot box. And the illusion that it can be needs to be shattered. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

05 Jun 24 10.45pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

I was referring to the lack of power of all MEPs. They cannot propose or frame laws, they have about as much influence as members of the North Korean Peoples Assembly.

Whilst I fully understand what you are getting at, the reality is that some power, even if it is just by dint of making it to the Parliament, has to mean something.

I do not believe any viable solution to the problems we all face will be found via the liberal democratic process. But electoral success, all be it of the superficial kind, can promote a wider ethos that can then be utilised when enough people realise that there votes are meaningless. Perhaps the only thing about this current farce of our own GE is how many people are now so thoroughly disillusioned that they are will not vote. Even a vote for Reform will help because it is more than possible they will get more votes than the Tories (and the Greens and Lib Dems combined) and not win a single seat. Which again is what I feel is needed.

This is no longer going to settled by the ballot box. And the illusion that it can be needs to be shattered.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Badger11 Beckenham 06 Jun 24 7.53am
Originally posted by georgenorman It doesn't matter much who is elected, they have no real power. Nope I get that but it will give an indication of how the voters across the EU are feeling. As this is a post EU thread I would prefer to look at the issues the EU face today rather than re-hash Brexit. One more point
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Beckenham 06 Jun 24 7.53am

Originally posted by georgenorman

It doesn't matter much who is elected, they have no real power.

Nope I get that but it will give an indication of how the voters across the EU are feeling.

As this is a post EU thread I would prefer to look at the issues the EU face today rather than re-hash Brexit.

One more point

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steeleye20 Croydon 06 Jun 24 1.52pm
D-day celebs and British paras storm in! [Link] Never mind lads, 'brexit means brexit'
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Croydon 06 Jun 24 1.52pm

D-day celebs and British paras storm in!

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Never mind lads, 'brexit means brexit'

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Teddy Eagle 06 Jun 24 1.57pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 D-day celebs and British paras storm in! [Link] Never mind lads, 'brexit means brexit' Not a problem for their friends and colleagues who are buried there.
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Teddy Eagle

06 Jun 24 1.57pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

D-day celebs and British paras storm in!

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Never mind lads, 'brexit means brexit'

Not a problem for their friends and colleagues who are buried there.

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Badger11 Beckenham 06 Jun 24 2.10pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Not a problem for their friends and colleagues who are buried there. Yup 06 June 1944 the French were happy to see us then. Oddly enough that was all about a united Europe which Britain didn't want to join. "A very elderly British gentleman arrived in Paris by plane. At the French immigration desk, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry-on bag. “You have been to France before, Monsieur?” the immigration officer asked, sarcastically. The elderly gentleman admitted he had been to France previously. “Then you should know well enough to have your passport ready.” The British gentleman said, “The last time I was here, I didn’t have to show it.” “Impossible. The British always have to show their passports on arrival in France!” The elderly gentleman gave the French immigration officer a long, hard look. Then he quietly explained, “Well, the last time I was here, I came ashore on a beach on D-Day in June 1944, and I couldn’t find any f*cking Frenchman to show it to.” One more point
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Beckenham 06 Jun 24 2.10pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Not a problem for their friends and colleagues who are buried there.

Yup 06 June 1944 the French were happy to see us then. Oddly enough that was all about a united Europe which Britain didn't want to join.

"A very elderly British gentleman arrived in Paris by plane.
At the French immigration desk, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry-on bag.
“You have been to France before, Monsieur?” the immigration officer asked, sarcastically.
The elderly gentleman admitted he had been to France previously.
“Then you should know well enough to have your passport ready.”
The British gentleman said, “The last time I was here, I didn’t have to show it.”
“Impossible. The British always have to show their passports on arrival in France!”
The elderly gentleman gave the French immigration officer a long, hard look. Then he quietly explained, “Well, the last time I was here, I came ashore on a beach on D-Day in June 1944, and I couldn’t find any f*cking Frenchman to show it to.”

One more point

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georgenorman 06 Jun 24 2.43pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 D-day celebs and British paras storm in! [Link] Never mind lads, 'brexit means brexit' Many of the veterans would wonder why they bothered if they read your posts. Edited by georgenorman (06 Jun 2024 2.43pm)
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georgenorman

06 Jun 24 2.43pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

D-day celebs and British paras storm in!

[Link]

Never mind lads, 'brexit means brexit'

Many of the veterans would wonder why they bothered if they read your posts.

Edited by georgenorman (06 Jun 2024 2.43pm)

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corkery Cork City 06 Jun 24 7.41pm
Originally posted by Badger11 The EU elections start tomorrow things to look out for: 1. Will the right continue to make gains across Europe and will immigration be a hot button topic. 2. A political pundit reckons the voters are suffering from environmental fatigue and are not happy about the costs related to Green policies. So will the Greens take a hit. I make no predictions just putting out there what some commentators say. Additionally I am hoping that our Irish posters will give us a snapshot of what is going on over there. Edited by Badger11 (05 Jun 2024 7.13pm) Every constituency will have 1 Fianna Fail, 1 Fine Gael, 1 Sinn Fein, 1 independent. Anyone could get the last seats. I don't think anyone cares about EU elections. It will be about national politics. Turnout will probably be low. The council elections are on at the same time. Councillors have a very large vote in the Senate. A favourable result for the government could lead to a general election. Edited by corkery (06 Jun 2024 7.44pm) We'll never die
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Cork City 06 Jun 24 7.41pm

Originally posted by Badger11

The EU elections start tomorrow things to look out for:

1. Will the right continue to make gains across Europe and will immigration be a hot button topic.

2. A political pundit reckons the voters are suffering from environmental fatigue and are not happy about the costs related to Green policies. So will the Greens take a hit.

I make no predictions just putting out there what some commentators say.

Additionally I am hoping that our Irish posters will give us a snapshot of what is going on over there.

Edited by Badger11 (05 Jun 2024 7.13pm)

Every constituency will have 1 Fianna Fail, 1 Fine Gael, 1 Sinn Fein, 1 independent. Anyone could get the last seats. I don't think anyone cares about EU elections. It will be about national politics. Turnout will probably be low.

The council elections are on at the same time. Councillors have a very large vote in the Senate. A favourable result for the government could lead to a general election.

Edited by corkery (06 Jun 2024 7.44pm)

We'll never die

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Jun 24 8.05pm
Originally posted by corkery Every constituency will have 1 Fianna Fail, 1 Fine Gael, 1 Sinn Fein, 1 independent. Anyone could get the last seats. I don't think anyone cares about EU elections. It will be about national politics. Turnout will probably be low. The council elections are on at the same time. Councillors have a very large vote in the Senate. A favourable result for the government could lead to a general election. Edited by corkery (06 Jun 2024 7.44pm) I was wondering how many of the current independents will go back to their parties. Which will lead us to more of the same. In my area, I notice all of the right wing election candidates' posters get ripped down. I presume that's happening in a lot of places. Some right wing candidates will probably get elected to councils but I doubt many. It feels like 50% of the country has had enough of immigration but the other half seems to actively want more - which I find relatively strange. I guess both are sticking a finger up at the establishment but in different ways. Still the same thing as everywhere else - anti-immigration is far right and they are the big 'concern'. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Jun 24 8.05pm

Originally posted by corkery

The council elections are on at the same time. Councillors have a very large vote in the Senate. A favourable result for the government could lead to a general election.

Edited by corkery (06 Jun 2024 7.44pm)

I was wondering how many of the current independents will go back to their parties. Which will lead us to more of the same.
In my area, I notice all of the right wing election candidates' posters get ripped down. I presume that's happening in a lot of places. Some right wing candidates will probably get elected to councils but I doubt many. It feels like 50% of the country has had enough of immigration but the other half seems to actively want more - which I find relatively strange. I guess both are sticking a finger up at the establishment but in different ways. Still the same thing as everywhere else - anti-immigration is far right and they are the big 'concern'.

Red and Blue Army!

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georgenorman 07 Jun 24 4.58pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Nope I get that but it will give an indication of how the voters across the EU are feeling. As this is a post EU thread I would prefer to look at the issues the EU face today rather than re-hash Brexit. That's true, but it will make naff all difference to those that hold power, Germany's Chancellor has said that the Commission will only work with 'traditional parties'. Meanwhile EU citizens will soon be told who their new EU President is after it is decided behind closed doors by unelected power holders.
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georgenorman

07 Jun 24 4.58pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Nope I get that but it will give an indication of how the voters across the EU are feeling.

As this is a post EU thread I would prefer to look at the issues the EU face today rather than re-hash Brexit.

That's true, but it will make naff all difference to those that hold power, Germany's Chancellor has said that the Commission will only work with 'traditional parties'. Meanwhile EU citizens will soon be told who their new EU President is after it is decided behind closed doors by unelected power holders.

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silvertop Portishead 07 Jun 24 6.20pm
Originally posted by georgenorman It doesn't matter much who is elected, they have no real power. This country is run by a powerful and well entrenched administration (and insurance companies). However, you just need to see where the executive diverges completely from the administration, e.g. in the Truss mini budget, that the executive can exercise real power with substantive consequences. [I can only think of this one negative example. There may be examples of positive divergence; but you only hear of stuff when things go badly awry]
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silvertop

Portishead 07 Jun 24 6.20pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

It doesn't matter much who is elected, they have no real power.

This country is run by a powerful and well entrenched administration (and insurance companies).

However, you just need to see where the executive diverges completely from the administration, e.g. in the Truss mini budget, that the executive can exercise real power with substantive consequences.

[I can only think of this one negative example. There may be examples of positive divergence; but you only hear of stuff when things go badly awry]

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