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Originally posted by SnapperKain
I think you might of shot yourself in the foot here as essentially this is an admission that the HF is holding the club to ransom over the banner, but also that people's money has been collected (and used) without full disclosure of what the intention was (i.e. would only be used if the club agree to the banner coming back). We didn't give money for the flags for that to then be used as a negotiating tactic with the club about the banner and I say that despite being in support of the banner being reinstated. We though the flags would be used at West Ham and my impression was that they would be reusable for the rest of the season. What your saying is that this hasn't happened because it's being used as a pawn in getting the club to reinstate the banner. If the HF used the display as a bargaining chip with the club before collected the money then that would have been fine, but not afterwards. Not cool man. They're not just reusable for the season, but the nest season and the next etc etc. They're not going anywhere just delayed. I want as mush as anyone for this to be sorted especially given our current form but once sorted it will be great - again, hopefully sooner rather than later
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Originally posted by twcpfc
The flags have been ordered mate. Also the banner everyone is referring to is the "holmesdale fanatics" banner which has in some shape or form represented the support of palace fans in the stadium and behind the scenes for years and there are banners like it allowed in almost every other stadium across the uk and europe. The banner does NOT represent the fans, it represents the hf, end of.
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Originally posted by eagleman13
The banner does NOT represent the fans, it represents the hf, end of. I said the "support". I didn't say it represents the political views or your thoughts on the club or the way you wipe your ass or anything crazy. But I think a lot of the people in the stadium who care about having a part to play in the stands, who have been going to palace for a few years, about having a strong atmosphere when it is dying in england, or care about moving forwards or improving as a fanbase or a club, the banner has a sense of representation for the support of selhurst from the noise to the tifos and a lot of people who support palace would agree with my point on this. Other fans and neutrals see it is a representation of the class atmosphere generated by selhurst so why can't we at times. Not a problem if you disagree but I think a lot of people prefer to take a less than fully negative view on the subject
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Originally posted by twcpfc
I said the "support". I didn't say it represents the political views or your thoughts on the club or the way you wipe your ass or anything crazy. But I think a lot of the people in the stadium who care about having a part to play in the stands, who have been going to palace for a few years, about having a strong atmosphere when it is dying in england, or care about moving forwards or improving as a fanbase or a club, the banner has a sense of representation for the support of selhurst from the noise to the tifos and a lot of people who support palace would agree with my point on this. Other fans and neutrals see it is a representation of the class atmosphere generated by selhurst so why can't we at times. Not a problem if you disagree but I think a lot of people prefer to take a less than fully negative view on the subject What the hell are you on about? This has nothing to do with atmosphere or tifo's, it's about fans/supporters being fleeced by lies. When you started this thread, you said the flags would be ready & available for the West Ham game, 21st April. You then kept coming on here & all of a sudden it's then about a banner, then you said y/day, you haven't even got the flags, but they've been 'ordered'. You also say that nothing will be done unless the banner, which by the way , is for the hf, NOT the whole of the fanbase, is 'restored'. That is pathetic. I use the word 'you' colloquially & as someone has pointed out, you are like a very poor politician, but, fair play for doing it.
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Originally posted by twcpfc
I’ll come back to this once the holmesdale is a sea of red and blue flags. Just because it hasn’t happened doesn’t mean it won’t. The intention is always to improve the atmosphere at selhurst park. Lots of people on here believe money was collected and then the flags were used as a type of “bargaining technique”. This is a) not true as the group has enough flags, people didn’t need to go out of their way to spend time creating more. b) it was stated in the initial statement before the fundraiser was even sent discussing the plans for when the banner is restored, so the message has always been clear Edited by twcpfc (09 May 2024 8.05am) Blah, blah, blah!!!
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Originally posted by twcpfc
I’ll come back to this once the holmesdale is a sea of red and blue flags. Just because it hasn’t happened doesn’t mean it won’t. The intention is always to improve the atmosphere at selhurst park. Lots of people on here believe money was collected and then the flags were used as a type of “bargaining technique”. This is a) not true as the group has enough flags, people didn’t need to go out of their way to spend time creating more. b) it was stated in the initial statement before the fundraiser was even sent discussing the plans for when the banner is restored, so the message has always been clear Edited by twcpfc (09 May 2024 8.05am)
I'm not sure where that image is from but that information is certainly not on the go fund me page. You can't pick and choose what information to show to those willing to donate, only to share a completely separate statement and claim it was clear all along! When the banner isn't restored, what then? Because I genuinely don't think it will be. Why would the club give up much needed advertising revenue to make way for a group of fans' banner
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Originally posted by twcpfc
Lots of people on here believe money was collected and then the flags were used as a type of “bargaining technique”. This is a) not true as the group has enough flags, people didn’t need to go out of their way to spend time creating more. b) it was stated in the initial statement before the fundraiser was even sent discussing the plans for when the banner is restored, so the message has always been clear Edited by twcpfc (09 May 2024 8.05am)
That screenshot you included was first posted on here by yourself on the 19th April in this post Originally posted by twcpfc
Target of £4k was beaten by a few hundred, amazing backing from the fanbase as per. 1,000 flags ordered and ready for the West Ham game to be distributed and used presuming the club restores the banner to the Holmesdale. I've attached a full message if anyone is interested. which was only after the 4k was reached and this was the first any of us knew about the "battle for the banner". The go fund me doesn't mention anything about the banner having to be restored before this would go ahead (see attached from your post on the 7th March) so we've contributed without knowing our money would be used in this way. So please don't say this was known from the beginning, perhaps those closer to the organisers knew, but from the perspective of someone who only knows about this from the HOL, this definitely wasn't the case. This is what has irritated people who have put money into this and trying to change the facts to fit a narrative isn't going to help. I look forward to seeing the display from the Arthur, I'm sure it will be amazing and you'll be able to post the photos on here with a "told you so" and I hope that people bring the flags to more games (think you might be a bit optimistic there though now we've reached the end of the season). That's not the issue though, the issue is that the HF have moved the goal posts and haven't been up front about using this as a tactic to get their banner back and if I'm completely honest, I don't even know what it looks like as you can't see it from the back of the Arthur. Thing is that what we contributed to was bringing some flags into the Holmesdale, even though not all of us sit there and won't actually get a flag, to raise the atmosphere and all that for potentially the last few home games of the season. Whilst we appreciate that people do this in there own time and didn't have to "bother making more flags", what we didn't do was contribute to a fund that would be used in essence by the HF as a tactic for their own personal issue over getting a flag resinstated, which let's be honest is only something that the HF is bothered about. Edited by SnapperKain (09 May 2024 11.15am)
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If I was someone (a commercial entity) who had paid £......... Would that not be fair ?
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Originally posted by twcpfc
The flags have been ordered mate. Also the banner everyone is referring to is the "holmesdale fanatics" banner which has in some shape or form represented the support of palace fans in the stadium and behind the scenes for years and there are banners like it allowed in almost every other stadium across the uk and europe.
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Originally posted by twcpfc
I said the "support". I didn't say it represents the political views or your thoughts on the club or the way you wipe your ass or anything crazy. But I think a lot of the people in the stadium who care about having a part to play in the stands, who have been going to palace for a few years, about having a strong atmosphere when it is dying in england, or care about moving forwards or improving as a fanbase or a club, the banner has a sense of representation for the support of selhurst from the noise to the tifos and a lot of people who support palace would agree with my point on this. Other fans and neutrals see it is a representation of the class atmosphere generated by selhurst so why can't we at times. Not a problem if you disagree but I think a lot of people prefer to take a less than fully negative view on the subject I think you'll find that the HF are considered a joke by fans of other clubs and I've got no problem going without a banner advertising this small group.
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Originally posted by eagleman13
Nice. Should be fun. Other English clubs like to belittle their competition. They know that Selhurst Park is special and makes their support look as weak as it truly is.
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