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Is it Eddie Zambezi
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Originally posted by Lazy
Is it Eddie Zambezi Good dat, could be Phil Mississippi.
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Eh? I'm not asking you to name names, but for an ignoramus like me, give another clue! I wouldn't call you an ignoramus after all this is just social media gossip why would you know? I'm not sure I can give a clue without revealing his identity and he may after all be completely innocent. I can say it is related to a news story the other day about a player racially abusing somebody outside of work. Our player has been fingered but he knows.
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Originally posted by Badger11
I wouldn't call you an ignoramus after all this is just social media gossip why would you know? I'm not sure I can give a clue without revealing his identity and he may after all be completely innocent. I can say it is related to a news story the other day about a player racially abusing somebody outside of work. Our player has been fingered but he knows. Ah OK. I'll conduct my own amateur research
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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Release - not even worth talking about Riedewald Keep Schlupp - Perfectly good enough to be on our bench and rotate. Keep on short deals, mostly to limit the amount of work needed in the summer/save ripping out the entire culture of the team in one go Hughes - Perfectly fine to be on our bench and help close out games. Release with justification The other right back - Clyne frees up the most cash Edited by ambrose7 (02 Jan 2024 3.59pm)
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We have the same conversation each year about this. When I walk around my house I see loads of stuff I am a bit bored of, or which is not top of the range. The temptation to give it away on Freecycle is significant, but unless I can afford upgrades I'm just going to be sitting there with no telly or fridge, aren't I? I appreciate that contracts expiring can be a chance to free up some money or squad space, but it doesn't look like the 8 named players are using up a problematic amount of either. Thats no great surprise. Our years of throwing daft money at has-beens are gone, and other than in the case of a top player choosing to run his contract down, chances are that if you are a player entering the last six months of your current deal at Palace, the club have half an idea that they could survive without you. Almost nobody gets released by Palace and proves them wrong, so if you are on the 'contract-expiring' list, chances are there aren't many significantly better options out there for you. The players in question are better off hoping Palace need them for another year, and will have to bite the lip for a few months whilst Palace flirt with would-be replacements. It can't be much good for the ego, but the sensible course of action for all these players is to keep their fingers crossed that Dougie and Steve can't afford and attract an upgrade. It's probably 60/40 in favour of the existing players, at least. Whilst Palace can afford to let these contracts run down for now, I doubt that remains sensible all the way to June. Hughes, Schlupp, Clyne or Ward will start looking around if Palace don't at least start talks with them soon. I appreciate that Real Madrid probably aren't beating a path to those players, but they do actually play in our team. I sometimes wonder if people know what that means - if they leave, we will need to replace them, with an actual top class professional footballer. It's not a question of naming a player on the list who we think 'we can surely do better than'. Until and unless a new, replacement player is actually signed up, we haven't done better. Lose all four of those and that's probably four transfer fees you need to find, on top of the wages. Good luck getting a good striker after that. I'd offer two-year deals on the same terms to Hughes and Schlupp, one year on the same terms to Ward, and one year on sensible money to Clyne (who surely isn't on £80k p/w these days - he signed a new one-year deal last summer). I'd consider another year for Riedewald unless the feedback from the coaching staff is that Ozoh is definitely ready to at least play 10-15 decent games a year at this level. I see no evidence so far that he is better than Reidewald, I just hope he is, which is not the same thing. The players who seldom or never play are a different matter. Time must be up for Tomkins and Ferguson, and we have signed Holding and Richards already. The third-choice keeper doesn't really matter I suppose. Not sure why clubs have one - they are rarely better than the best development-age goalkeeper, and you can get emergency loans outside of the transfer windows for GKs anyway. Edited by TheBigToePunt (02 Jan 2024 4.56pm)
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
It's not a question of naming a player on the list who we think 'we can surely do better than'. Until and unless a new, replacement player is actually signed up, we haven't done better. Lose all four of those and that's probably four transfer fees you need to find, on top of the wages. Good luck getting a good striker after that.
Yep, spot on and Doombear makes a similarly good point. We've signed 9 players total in the past 2 years. Even in the year we went wild under Vieira, we signed 8 plus 1 loan. The idea that we drop 7/8 of these with no transfer fee and then replace them with improvements is unrealistic, especially as not enough of the academy are banging hard on the door to take those squad spots (i.e. already regularly occupying substitute spots). If they all go, we would at an absolute minimum need 5 replacements. Even doing that with 5x Will Hughes transfer fees is £35m and we'd likely just be back at square 1 in terms of ability. Yes, player X who is great and on a free/cheap exists, but we'd need an unrealistically high success % in those races. We haven't demonstrated that success in recent windows.
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Originally posted by ambrose7
Yep, spot on and Doombear makes a similarly good point. We've signed 9 players total in the past 2 years. Even in the year we went wild under Vieira, we signed 8 plus 1 loan. The idea that we drop 7/8 of these with no transfer fee and then replace them with improvements is unrealistic, especially as not enough of the academy are banging hard on the door to take those squad spots (i.e. already regularly occupying substitute spots). If they all go, we would at an absolute minimum need 5 replacements. Even doing that with 5x Will Hughes transfer fees is £35m and we'd likely just be back at square 1 in terms of ability. Yes, player X who is great and on a free/cheap exists, but we'd need an unrealistically high success % in those races. We haven't demonstrated that success in recent windows. Not if they are free, a new contract has a signing fee even if you stay at the same club
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Originally posted by ambrose7
Yep, spot on and Doombear makes a similarly good point. We've signed 9 players total in the past 2 years. Even in the year we went wild under Vieira, we signed 8 plus 1 loan. The idea that we drop 7/8 of these with no transfer fee and then replace them with improvements is unrealistic, especially as not enough of the academy are banging hard on the door to take those squad spots (i.e. already regularly occupying substitute spots). If they all go, we would at an absolute minimum need 5 replacements. Even doing that with 5x Will Hughes transfer fees is £35m and we'd likely just be back at square 1 in terms of ability. Yes, player X who is great and on a free/cheap exists, but we'd need an unrealistically high success % in those races. We haven't demonstrated that success in recent windows. Yes, I am not sure what people mean when they say that an older player is 'blocking the pathway' or 'taking a spot that a youth team player could have'. Youth team graduates (including youngsters we've bought from other clubs) don't need to be named in the 25 man squad, so they are not being blocked in that sense. We often don't use all 25 squad places anyway. I'd be amazed if we were ever in a position where we couldn't afford to offer a youth team player a pro contract because we had spent so much on the senior players, so Ward, Clyne and Schlupp aren't blocking a youth team players chances in that respect, either. The only way in which losing half a dozen senior pros would help a youth team player is that competition would be removed from their paths. At times of widespread injuries and suspensions, your youth team lads simply have to play. Is that really what we want?! It wouldn't make the youth team player any better than he was, and certainly not make him good enough if he wasn't already. If Ozoh, Boetang (or whoever) are going to be good enough to improve our side, then they should already be setting their sights on replacing Schlupp or Hughes. The presence of decent, but not spectacular, senior pros is the first filter in the sift to find youth team players who are going to make it at Palace. Ward, Clyne, Ayew... they are the 'low hanging fruit' of the squad, in that a new player (be it a youth team graduate or a new signing) has, as his first mission, to get ahead of them in the pecking order. If the new man can do that, then he can set his sights on surpassing the next level of player. Most can't complete that first mission, but that's all the more reason to have good journeyman pro's in the squad - they are a good yardstick for youth graduates.
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Will Hughes (£35,000) - - Wouldn't cry but not keen to offload either. I dont get why people think Clyne is on £80k a week, a litle research shows it to be nowhere near that. Nathaniel Clyne earns £29,000 per week, £1,508,000 per year playing for Crystal Palace as a D/WB RL. Nathaniel Clyne's net worth is £26,312,000. Nathaniel Clyne is 32 years old and was born in England. His current contract expires June 30, 2024. At £29k a week, he is good value.
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
Not if they are free, a new contract has a signing fee even if you stay at the same club Not always Lanzo. In any event, a new free-transfer signing is no less likely to want a signing-on fee, so the point stands even if Palace could somehow secure four or five free transfers who were better than the lads on the list.
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
Yes, I am not sure what people mean when they say that an older player is 'blocking the pathway' or 'taking a spot that a youth team player could have'. Charlton fans are up in arms at their teams poor performance. One of the performance metrics that the current under siege manager is being assessed on by the board is the number of first team games that academy players get. The fans believe this has led to the manager picking youngsters to meet that target even though there are better established players in the squad. Whatever the truth it's not working as their league position indicates. So yes I take your point. However the FA cup will be a litmus test, we should be resting Olise to protect him and giving Franca and Ozoh a chance. If Roy doesn't do that then I suggest he is being stubborn.
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