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Originally posted by Willo
I have always asserted that referees err from time to time having to make split-second decisions under pressure in a fast moving game. Finally, I am comfortable with my use of "Ablomb" in the context you highlighted. Yes, exactly what I predicted you would say - willing to admit that referees "err", but never, never willing to agree with criticism of specific errors by individual referees. I'm curious about your determination to keep using a word wrongly. Just stubbornness, I suppose - not a very attractive quality.
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One of the so called benefits of 'VAR' was that it was supposed to remove the perceived bias towards the bigger teams in the event of contentious decisions; the reasoning being that the objectivity of VAR would remove doubt. However, I do think the standard of refereeing has deteriorated since the introduction of VAR, as well as spoiling the game as a spectacle. At games the rhythm is continually disrupted with hold ups in play for VAR. The only people who seem to benefit are the technology companies who seek to make continual inroads in their attempts to exploit the game and the broadcasters who are gleeful at the controversies. As a final point, I don't believe VAR has eradicated bias towards the big clubs.
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I think the first penalty should have stood. I didn’t see any identification of the exact moment a foul was committed. Hughes hassled their guy off the ball, he elected to fall over, it’s a contact sport. Furthermore the ref played on and had to stare at a VAR screen for some duration of time. It’s therefore a million miles from ‘clear and obvious’ before even considering it a foul in a first instance, in a contact sport. The JPM penalty is stonewall, there’s no debate. There were an equal amount of fouls between the sides however a sincerely disproportionate issuing of cards. Both Ayew yellows were dubious and where the ambiguity of the rules and their application favours a cheating ref to assist the bigger team. Giving them two yellows in the dying embers is evidence for me of an attempt to cook the books in acknowledgment of this. There’s ambiguity, subjective decision making, mistakes etc aplenty in football. When the script reads ‘overturned penalty, dodgy sending off and severely lopsided disciplinary action favours the title challengers to come from behind against their minnow opponents’, you know what is taking place. It’s a corrupt sport and a financial and commercial powerhouse. It’s not an even playing field.
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Originally posted by JRW2
Yes, exactly what I predicted you would say - willing to admit that referees "err", but never, never willing to agree with criticism of specific errors by individual referees. I'm curious about your determination to keep using a word wrongly. Just stubbornness, I suppose - not a very attractive quality. With the greatest of respect, some might deem certain specific decisions "Errors" whilst others view them in a more positive light, accordingly those in the latter cohort will not agree with the former. Apropos "Stubborness" far more negative terms have been hurled in my direction,indeed my self-deprecation has allowed me to admit to my plethora of limitations.In the final analysis I am not the Patron Saint of self-righteousness.
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I think the first penalty should have stood. I didn’t see any identification of the exact moment a foul was committed. Hughes hassled their guy off the ball, he elected to fall over, it’s a contact sport. Furthermore the ref played on and had to stare at a VAR screen for some duration of time. It’s therefore a million miles from ‘clear and obvious’ before even considering it a foul in a first instance, in a contact sport. The JPM penalty is stonewall, there’s no debate. There were an equal amount of fouls between the sides however a sincerely disproportionate issuing of cards. Both Ayew yellows were dubious and where the ambiguity of the rules and their application favours a cheating ref to assist the bigger team. Giving them two yellows in the dying embers is evidence for me of an attempt to cook the books in acknowledgment of this. There’s ambiguity, subjective decision making, mistakes etc aplenty in football. When the script reads ‘overturned penalty, dodgy sending off and severely lopsided disciplinary action favours the title challengers to come from behind against their minnow opponents’, you know what is taking place. It’s a corrupt sport and a financial and commercial powerhouse. It’s not an even playing field. With the greatest respect I do not agree with the general 'Thrust' of your message regards honesty and integrity. Edited by Willo (10 Dec 2023 1.16pm)
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Originally posted by Willo
With the greatest respect I do not agree with the general 'Thrust' of your message regards honesty and integrity. Edited by Willo (10 Dec 2023 1.16pm) I know what you think, or rather your stance Willo. I’ll write to the rest of the world and let them know football is an incorruptible sport, full of dignity and the upmost respect for the law. I should have done so when the World Cup was on in the great footballing nation of Qatar come to think of it. Both the tooth fairy and Santa had agreed to it but I was so busy correctly sorting my recycling and obeying speed limits. Edited by Nicholas91 (10 Dec 2023 1.38pm)
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I know what you think, or rather your stance Willo. I’ll write to the rest of the world and let them know football is an incorruptible sport, full of dignity and the upmost respect for the law. I should have done so when the World Cup was on in the great footballing nation of Qatar come to think of it. Both the tooth fairy and Santa had agreed to it but I was so busy correctly sorting my recycling and obeying speed limits. Edited by Nicholas91 (10 Dec 2023 1.38pm) Clearly we are on 'Opposite sides of the House' on the matter of honesty and integrity. I do not believe that football in general is corrupt to the core and I certainly do not hold the view that referees purposely favour the bigger teams. Edited by Willo (10 Dec 2023 1.52pm)
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Originally posted by Willo
With the greatest of respect, some might deem certain specific decisions "Errors" whilst others view them in a more positive light, accordingly those in the latter cohort will not agree with the former. Apropos "Stubborness" far more negative terms have been hurled in my direction,indeed my self-deprecation has allowed me to admit to my plethora of limitations.In the final analysis I am not the Patron Saint of self-righteousness. Yes, some may regard some decisions as erroneous, but you will never admit to a single specific refereeing decision discussed on this site as wrong - not a single one. Instead you hide behind the same predictable and irrelevant guff that referees are only human and can err - which is a shame because it adds nothing to the debate. By the way, I have always - rightly or wrongly - agreed with you on one thing. I'd be astonished if corruption didn't exist in football, but, without any grounds for saying this, I simply don't accept that referees are corrupt. Sometimes incompetent yes, but that takes us back to the first point........
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Originally posted by JRW2
Yes, some may regard some decisions as erroneous, but you will never admit to a single specific refereeing decision discussed on this site as wrong - not a single one. Instead you hide behind the same predictable and irrelevant guff that referees are only human and can err - which is a shame because it adds nothing to the debate. By the way, I have always - rightly or wrongly - agreed with you on one thing. I'd be astonished if corruption didn't exist in football, but, without any grounds for saying this, I simply don't accept that referees are corrupt. Sometimes incompetent yes, but that takes us back to the first point........ With respect, it is not irrelevant as I have consistently stated a fact that referees err from high to time, having to make split-second decisions in fast moving situations. Apropos, "Adds nothing to the debate", I have been consistent in my messaging and whether my comments have added value to the discussion is for others to conclude. Edited by Willo (10 Dec 2023 3.03pm)
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Originally posted by Willo
I have always asserted that referees err from time to time having to make split-second decisions under pressure in a fast moving game. I have concluded that had we not conceded a goal in the dying embers of the game there would not be the furore about the performance of Andy Madley. Finally, I am comfortable with my use of "Ablomb" in the context you highlighted. Interesting word that Willo is comfortable with. I can't find Ablomb in any dictionary. Could it be an abbreviation of a love bomb or love bombing, which means to influence someone by showing them attention or affection? In which case, does that describe Willo's attitude towards the wretched Madley and his illustrious predecessor, Mark Clusterf***?
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I think the first penalty should have stood. I didn’t see any identification of the exact moment a foul was committed. Hughes hassled their guy off the ball, he elected to fall over, it’s a contact sport. Furthermore the ref played on and had to stare at a VAR screen for some duration of time. It’s therefore a million miles from ‘clear and obvious’ before even considering it a foul in a first instance, in a contact sport. The JPM penalty is stonewall, there’s no debate. There were an equal amount of fouls between the sides however a sincerely disproportionate issuing of cards. Both Ayew yellows were dubious and where the ambiguity of the rules and their application favours a cheating ref to assist the bigger team. Giving them two yellows in the dying embers is evidence for me of an attempt to cook the books in acknowledgment of this. There’s ambiguity, subjective decision making, mistakes etc aplenty in football. When the script reads ‘overturned penalty, dodgy sending off and severely lopsided disciplinary action favours the title challengers to come from behind against their minnow opponents’, you know what is taking place. It’s a corrupt sport and a financial and commercial powerhouse. It’s not an even playing field.
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