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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You really are borderline bonkers. Nothing borderline I can see
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Originally posted by Pembroke
I asked some questions. How did Tommy Robinson practically ask to be arrested? I watched a clip and he doesn't. He asks to be allowed to have the same freedom as others. Tommy Robinson was arrested for breeching a section 35 order. The grounds were he might cause harassment, alarm and distress How can the police claim to know, what will cause harassment, alarm and distress to others? There is an abuse of power here and a breech of civil liberties. We all have a right of assembly in the UK, this should not be restricted to those with right sort of politics. What I said was he practically asks to be arrested, not that he does in any video. Breaking the law, deliberately and openly was the asking in this case. The organisers had requested him not to attend. That’s a polite and reasonable request. Nothing they can impose. That’s for the police. Yaxley-Lennon has previous. His attendance at events has been followed by disturbance and violence. He might claim to be “reporting” but that doesn’t mitigate the concerns. The Mail, Telegraph and BBC don’t have these concerns. If the police already have concerns about being able to manage an event peacefully I can quite understand why they would apply for an order requiring a known source of disruption not to be there. That’s their duty. To keep people safe. YL does not have a special status. He is subject to the same laws as us. You might not like a law which gives the police this option but it is the law. You can campaign to change that law but not complain when the police use it.
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Originally posted by BrentisBack
They only attack fascists though. They don’t go out attacking ordinary folk. They are literally trying to fight the alarming rise in fascism. Surely that doesn’t make them a violent organisation of its own. They’re a counter reactionary group. You seriously think they only attack fascists? We had 18 months of rioting, businesses burned down, people attacked and people were killed too and you think all this was done to 'fascists'? You have some seriously rose tinted glasses. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2023 10.47am)
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Originally posted by Mapletree
And you are The Judge. Gosh, isn’t it great to get that out in the open By the way, I am Spartacus Edited by Mapletree (29 Nov 2023 10.59pm) 'The Judge' is a mythological creature whose reputation was based on the claims of a rabid clique of lefties. I was here before him.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What I said was he practically asks to be arrested, not that he does in any video. Breaking the law, deliberately and openly was the asking in this case. The organisers had requested him not to attend. That’s a polite and reasonable request. Nothing they can impose. That’s for the police. Yaxley-Lennon has previous. His attendance at events has been followed by disturbance and violence. He might claim to be “reporting” but that doesn’t mitigate the concerns. The Mail, Telegraph and BBC don’t have these concerns. If the police already have concerns about being able to manage an event peacefully I can quite understand why they would apply for an order requiring a known source of disruption not to be there. That’s their duty. To keep people safe. YL does not have a special status. He is subject to the same laws as us. You might not like a law which gives the police this option but it is the law. You can campaign to change that law but not complain when the police use it. Tommy Robinson does have a special status. He is subject to political [policing the rest of us do not endure. You are pointing out in your post that he does not have the freedoms of all. The section 35 order applies to those engaged in violence, or the likelihood of violence. To disperse Tommy Robinson his behaviour has to contribute to, or increase harassment, distress or cause disorder, or increase the possibility. Tommy Robinson was having breakfast and people where having pictures with him, people were shaking his hand, women were hugging and kissing him ... And the police intervened. Yes you could have exactly the same concerns about the BBC, the Mail because concern in this case was arbitrary, the police claim to know, preemptively, what will cause harassment, alarm and distress to others. Tommy Robinson was eating breakfast. Right to protest, to report is for all .. Unless. That is illiberal and undemocratic.
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Originally posted by Pembroke
Tommy Robinson does have a special status. He is subject to political [policing the rest of us do not endure. You are pointing out in your post that he does not have the freedoms of all. The section 35 order applies to those engaged in violence, or the likelihood of violence. To disperse Tommy Robinson his behaviour has to contribute to, or increase harassment, distress or cause disorder, or increase the possibility. Tommy Robinson was having breakfast and people where having pictures with him, people were shaking his hand, women were hugging and kissing him ... And the police intervened. Yes you could have exactly the same concerns about the BBC, the Mail because concern in this case was arbitrary, the police claim to know, preemptively, what will cause harassment, alarm and distress to others. Tommy Robinson was eating breakfast. Right to protest, to report is for all .. Unless. That is illiberal and undemocratic. Or unless you're part of the Trump mob, who regularly attacked reporters.
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Originally posted by Pembroke
Tommy Robinson does have a special status. He is subject to political [policing the rest of us do not endure. You are pointing out in your post that he does not have the freedoms of all. The section 35 order applies to those engaged in violence, or the likelihood of violence. To disperse Tommy Robinson his behaviour has to contribute to, or increase harassment, distress or cause disorder, or increase the possibility. Tommy Robinson was having breakfast and people where having pictures with him, people were shaking his hand, women were hugging and kissing him ... And the police intervened. Yes you could have exactly the same concerns about the BBC, the Mail because concern in this case was arbitrary, the police claim to know, preemptively, what will cause harassment, alarm and distress to others. Tommy Robinson was eating breakfast. Right to protest, to report is for all .. Unless. That is illiberal and undemocratic. They don't care. They view him as an enemy and will defend just about anything and flout any principle. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2023 3.11pm)
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Originally posted by Glazier#1
Or unless you're part of the Trump mob, who regularly attacked reporters.
Can you link to several physical events like this?
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You seriously think they only attack fascists? We had 18 months of rioting, businesses burned down, people attacked and people were killed too and you think all this was done to 'fascists'? You have some seriously rose tinted glasses. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2023 10.47am) Is this antifa or BLM we’re are talking about here?
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Can you link to several physical events like this? Just a quick few. Can't be bothered to trawl for any more.
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Originally posted by BrentisBack
Is this antifa or BLM we’re are talking about here? Well, it was both. They frequently operated alongside each other during those 18 months. The point is your contention that Antifa are just this 'fascist' fighting machine is magical thinking. They and the Democrats consider the Proud Boys 'fascists'.....which I still laugh about till this day....It's just anyone who supports Trump to you lot. As for fighting, Antifa frequently had their arses handed to them in videos as they are mostly weedy men. The only time I ever saw Antifa win a fight was when they outnumbered someone.
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Originally posted by Glazier#1
Just a quick few. Can't be bothered to trawl for any more. No, I think that proves that it happens. I support their anger with the mainstream media's treatment of Trump. However, people who physically attack reporters are arseholes and I'm happy to condemn that behaviour.
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