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Wisbech and I nearly agree on something,....must have a lie down If these were 'elites' being held hostage, shot, starved, you can bet progress to resolve the situation would have been completed almost overnight. Not to me. A soldiers death holds just as much value.
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It might be just me. Maybe it is. But I feel in reading Media coverage in the last 12 hours, there is less of a partisan slant since the "Arabs had a word". Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Oct 2023 5.02pm)
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I think one of Israel's main problems with currying favour with the left (or most western establishment media) is that they are seen as white and European....a kind of throwback to racial colonialism. There's a kind of irony there that many in the DR could comment on but I'll plow on. No matter how basic, one eyed and reductionist way it is to look at it that just seems to be how they feel about it....Many would argue with some weight that this perspective is just not true (I defer comment). However, I think its what the middle and higher class left believe and just like facts don't care about your feelings....the stronger truth is that feelings don't care about your facts. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Oct 2023 5.20pm)
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
It might be just me. Maybe it is. But I feel in reading Media coverage in the last 12 hours, there is less of a partisan slant since the "Arabs had a word". Edited by Forest Hillbilly (21 Oct 2023 5.02pm) Watching Piers Morgan's move to a less strident certainty has been somewhat vaguely interesting.
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While obviously people can champion the Palestinian cause and all that and it's obvious that the mainstream media largely do....It's also telling that few people talk about the conquering that the Islamic world engaged in and the persecution that continues within them. The Ottoman empire lasted longer than the British, had massively more slaves and I might add treated them far more harshly and ruthlessly murdered its way through its empire. However, none of that excuses anyone killing anyone else. [Tweet Link]
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The Arab countries have already warned against escalation. But Israel is embarking on just such a process, and have said ,..Israel's defence minister says the campaign could take "one month, two months, three months... at the end there will be no more Hamas" And the starving, denying of water and medical aid to Palestinian people goes on. And they're being bombed too.
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
The Arab countries have already warned against escalation. But Israel is embarking on just such a process, and have said ,..Israel's defence minister says the campaign could take "one month, two months, three months... at the end there will be no more Hamas" And the starving, denying of water and medical aid to Palestinian people goes on. And they're being bombed too. Presumably it means taking out their known leadership, dismantling their munitions supply lines and manufacturing, and incapacitating Hamas ability to launch mass acts of terrorism? Of all people, the Israelis should recognise this has to be done within the rules of war ... but it is a war.
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Life in Gaza/Israel only a few years ago: Daily power cuts in Gaza (controlled totally by Israel) And of course Palestinian youth throwing stones as Israeli military and getting shot for their trouble. It was an apartheid situation, which was tolerated by the West and steadily caused increasing concern to the UN (who says Israel has been acting illegally) and the Arab countries, who are now voicing concern. The only positive I can see coming from this, is that we might get an agreed and defined Israel Palestine border that is fixed, And people can start re-building their lives.
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The “moderate” Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas putting forth the Kazar hypothesis, justifying Hitler’s actions towards the Jews because they charged too much interest. But yes, keep thinking Israel can live with Hamas, who in turn thinks this guy is a Jew lover. The two state solution is dead. Edited by Sheks Crows Eye (23 Oct 2023 2.55pm)
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Life in Gaza/Israel only a few years ago: Daily power cuts in Gaza (controlled totally by Israel) And of course Palestinian youth throwing stones as Israeli military and getting shot for their trouble. It was an apartheid situation, which was tolerated by the West and steadily caused increasing concern to the UN (who says Israel has been acting illegally) and the Arab countries, who are now voicing concern. The only positive I can see coming from this, is that we might get an agreed and defined Israel Palestine border that is fixed, And people can start re-building their lives.
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Life in Gaza/Israel only a few years ago: Daily power cuts in Gaza (controlled totally by Israel) And of course Palestinian youth throwing stones as Israeli military and getting shot for their trouble. It was an apartheid situation, which was tolerated by the West and steadily caused increasing concern to the UN (who says Israel has been acting illegally) and the Arab countries, who are now voicing concern. The only positive I can see coming from this, is that we might get an agreed and defined Israel Palestine border that is fixed, And people can start re-building their lives. We do agree over this. Whilst no one could be anything other than appalled at what Hamas did 2 weeks ago Israel bears a heavy responsibility for creating the circumstances which brought such hatred about. The only positive thing I can see coming from this is that the need to find a long term sustainable solution has become into ever greater sharp focus and that the pressure on Israel from the rest of the world, and especially the USA, to agree to seek one is likely to become intense. Israel are losing the propaganda war. Hopefully they will understand that and allow fuel, food, water and medicines into Gaza to begin to get back some degree of control over their justifications for seeking to eliminate Hamas.
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