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Originally posted by cryrst
HS2 must be completed. People said the same about the big white tent in Greenwich, the M25 and other major projects. Yes you can build schools and hospitals with the money but then the ongoing costs of those will need finding. As a country the infrastructure is vitally important. If rail or road or waterways etc. progress costs and if not now the railways will need to be replaced at some stage as they are wearing out. This would be the start of those projects. The infrastructure of the country in particular the rail network, is not improved, but reduced, by HS2.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The infrastructure of the country in particular the rail network, is not improved, but reduced, by HS2. Agreed, lunatic project.
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Now that we know what Rishi has decided on this subject it will be interesting to see if the Beeb and outher media start pressing Starmer on whether he will re instate it. Much squirming at Labout HQ I expect
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The infrastructure of the country in particular the rail network, is not improved, but reduced, by HS2. Agreed. Nonsense project just so folk on a train can arrive in Leeds a few minutes earlier than existing train. Anyway, we don't have the same amount of room in our countryside for huge infrastructure compared with France, Spain and other countries used as examples.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The infrastructure of the country in particular the rail network, is not improved, but reduced, by HS2. The project management has been a disaster but if we want a rail service fit for the this century then we need a high speed rail system not only up the spine of the country to Scotland but into Wales and the South West. One of my many complaints was why did they start in London? They should have started it oop North and gone downwards, so perhaps at say Birmingham if the cost got too much then just use the existing line to London. If we want to be green in this country we need a fast railway system but it should not be an either or plenty of other rail projects to be done as well.
Edited by Badger11 (04 Oct 2023 12.35pm)
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Unfortunately the contractors between London and Birmingham held the government to ransom and completely fleeced the tax payer. The profiteering must border on fraud. Sure the government could have done more and been tougher holding them accountable contractually. Either way the contractors killed the golden goose. Rip off Britain at it worse and don’t give me the inflation bollox argument which is dwarfed by the sheer basic dishonest over-charging.
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Originally posted by NE14T
Unfortunately the contractors between London and Birmingham held the government to ransom and completely fleeced the tax payer. The profiteering must border on fraud. Sure the government could have done more and been tougher holding them accountable contractually. Either way the contractors killed the golden goose. Rip off Britain at it worse and don’t give me the inflation bollox argument which is dwarfed by the sheer basic dishonest over-charging.
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HS2 was a bad idea. I feel sorry for the people who had to sell their houses on the route but at least the north will get better connections which it badly needs.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
HS2 was a bad idea. I feel sorry for the people who had to sell their houses on the route but at least the north will get better connections which it badly needs. I agree. It was an insane project from the outset.
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The money 'saved' (forgetting all the cash already wasted) will be used on "stuff for the North" and BETTER ROADS. what a bunch of electioneering incompetent b'asterds.
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
The money 'saved' (forgetting all the cash already wasted) will be used on "stuff for the North" and BETTER ROADS. what a bunch of electioneering incompetent b'asterds. It looks like a bad choice to some whatever Sunak does. Ideally, the thing gets finished, but the cost of it is now far more than the benefits. Announcing this at a conference might not have been the wisest thing. It then looks like a political decision and grabs the headlines.
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I think cancelling this cancellation is insanity. The issue is not about people getting somewhere a few minutes early, the issue is that the HS project represents a confidence in the UK's future. Most foreign investment comes in London and the SE because the north of the country is seen as some bleak provisional hell hole. HS2 was as much about image as anything else. The kind of project a confident nation carries out. To ditch it as this stage is to just surrender to decline. And just when it is revealed that the UK is outstripping the likes of Gemrany and France in terms of post-Covid growth. This project was about national prestige. To say to investors that you might want to live in the SE but if you invest up North, we can speed you up there quicker than now.
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