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 jcreedy  06 Sep 23 3.29pm |
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Horizon rejoin.
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cryrst  The garden of England 06 Sep 23 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It just wasn’t. The choice was made when Parliament triggered Article 50. They could have refused to do so as no referendum is binding in the UK. They didn’t refuse even if they wanted to, because of the political consequences. Isn’t that the last 20 years of politicians, starting with bliar
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 06 Sep 23 7.02pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Isn’t that the last 20 years of politicians, starting with bliar What has Blair got to do with the way Brexit was enabled? If Blair had still been PM there it would not have happened. There is no way he would have agreed to a referendum. He would not have risked throwing the country’s future under the bus in the way Cameron did. Indeed seeing UKIP decimate the Tory Party would have been politically advantageous as well.
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Teddy Eagle  06 Sep 23 7.17pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What has Blair got to do with the way Brexit was enabled? If Blair had still been PM there it would not have happened. There is no way he would have agreed to a referendum. He would not have risked throwing the country’s future under the bus in the way Cameron did. Indeed seeing UKIP decimate the Tory Party would have been politically advantageous as well. Isn't Blair just being used as a marker for the way trust in politicians has declined?
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| cryrst The garden of England 06 Sep 23 7.51pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Isn't Blair just being used as a marker for the way trust in politicians has declined? Thankyou sir
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| cryrst The garden of England 06 Sep 23 7.53pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What has Blair got to do with the way Brexit was enabled? If Blair had still been PM there it would not have happened. There is no way he would have agreed to a referendum. He would not have risked throwing the country’s future under the bus in the way Cameron did. Indeed seeing UKIP decimate the Tory Party would have been politically advantageous as well. Decimated plenty though, for his and his mrs bank accounts.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 07 Sep 23 8.50am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Decimated plenty though, for his and his mrs bank accounts. Let's take the advice of someone who went into an illegal war, everyone knows the story. He and his lap dog Campbell are despicable Relevance to topic is his meddling post Brexit
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| newickeagle Newick, E Sussex 07 Sep 23 9.10am |
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Blair, his illegal war, let us not forget he had the full throated support of the Tory party who marched through the lobbies with him. It was already well out there that people suspected the intelligence was, to say the least, iffy. He's just as his entitled to his views on Brexit, I happen to agree, as those who thought it was a good idea. Or, are they meddling too? Horizon associate membership is a step in the right direction, probably not as good as that which we had before, but I will take it! It is the first step to associate membership, however they dress it up, of the EU. It's happened, move on, make the best of it, does not mean if you think it was a bad idea you have to keep quiet.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 07 Sep 23 9.26am |
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Originally posted by newickeagle
Blair, his illegal war, let us not forget he had the full throated support of the Tory party who marched through the lobbies with him. It was already well out there that people suspected the intelligence was, to say the least, iffy. He's just as his entitled to his views on Brexit, I happen to agree, as those who thought it was a good idea. Or, are they meddling too? Horizon associate membership is a step in the right direction, probably not as good as that which we had before, but I will take it! It is the first step to associate membership, however they dress it up, of the EU. It's happened, move on, make the best of it, does not mean if you think it was a bad idea you have to keep quiet. I agree the lemmings who voted to support Blair from all sides have culpability Problem was they were presented with false information which prima facie supported the WMD arguement Edited by HKOwen (07 Sep 2023 9.28am)
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 07 Sep 23 10.05am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It just wasn’t. The choice was made when Parliament triggered Article 50. They could have refused to do so as no referendum is binding in the UK. They didn’t refuse even if they wanted to, because of the political consequences. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Sep 23 4.28pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Isn't Blair just being used as a marker for the way trust in politicians has declined? By some maybe but not by me. You can trawl back and find occasions when trust evaporated after particular events. Blair was nothing unusual. In truth he was probably the first one to suffer character assassination by social media. That’s what’s different.
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 georgenorman 07 Sep 23 5.29pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
By some maybe but not by me. You can trawl back and find occasions when trust evaporated after particular events. Blair was nothing unusual. In truth he was probably the first one to suffer character assassination by social media. That’s what’s different. Since the days of our first prime minister, Robert Walpole, they have suffered from character assassination from the contemporary social media of the time. "Satire on George II and Robert Walpole. The king is represented as a satyr, seen from the rear, standing on an altar kicking his left leg and breaking wind; Queen Caroline, as a priestess wearing a bell on her wrist, approaches from the right to administer an enema of "Aurum potabile" (a flavoured brandy); Bishop Hoadly stands behind her followed by men carrying on their heads vessels of gold, several of which have been deposited at the foot of the altar, square pieces of gold having spilled from one. On the left; Robert Walpole dressed as the Chief Magician, dressed in a coat embroidered with dragons and the words "Auri Sacra fames" and carrying a rod, looks up at the satyr; behind him is a procession of courtiers with the insignia of the golden rump embroidered on their shoulders; in the foreground Walpole's brother Horatio Walpole holds out a pair of scales, an allusion to his concern to preserve the balance of power in Europe which earned him the nickname, the "Balance Master". A curtain hanging across the top is embroidered with golden rumps. 1737"
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