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Jonsey  wherever I lay my toolbox thats my... 06 Dec 04 2.20am |
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Quote tetley at 05 Dec 2004 7:25pm
Quote Jonsey at 05 Dec 2004 3:45am
The immigrants are treated like kings in this country they get paid shed loads of money to feed god knows how many children auntie uncles grand mothers or grand fathers they have. they get given house and a car aswell, we also build them Mosques so they can prey. after we do all this for them they walk round and insult our government, praise allah for killing our countrymen/women dance around after 9/11 and worst of all they stand in london and burn the union jack. having unfortunatly liveing in saudi arabia if i did that i would of been killed!!! out there your treated like s*** as far as there concerned your white and should be killed. they dont build churches infact if you are seen to be performing and religous ceremonies other than islam you would be im-prissoned and recieve 50 lashes. if i burnt the flag id have my head chopped off infact if i even said the king is a t*** od have my head chopped off. you may think this is crap but iv expierienced it and if you do research maybe you might find something like this but i doubt it.
everything you say is so full of hyperbole and billigerent jingoism that is is hard to take you seriously. where do you get your information from??one of the highlighted points - i can;t believe these immigrants have the nerve to 'walk around' - whatever next!! if i do my research i might find something like this but i doubt it. i see what you mean but you are actaully undermining your own point if you read it again. and anyway, my elder sister is a converted muslim who now lives in malaysia, so apart from the fact that i have already done first hand research, you may say that i have a vested interest in your moronic comments
and yes i see what you meen about undermining myself so ill say it differently 'you could try research it and look for any imformation about what ive said but i doubt there would be any imformation for you. to you they may be moronic but anyone who has lived out there im sure quite a few will be of the same opinion
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| Jonsey wherever I lay my toolbox thats my... 06 Dec 04 2.22am |
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Quote Singapore Eagle at 05 Dec 2004 4:28am
Jonsey - I agree with some of your points about Saudi, as I lived there for two and a half years in the early 90's. But, those are the laws of the country - we went there to earn tax free salaries, and we had to abide by the local laws (even if we all bent them somewhat!). I think the biggest problem in the UK at the moment is not that some of the minorities bend the laws, but, that a small percentage of them clearly abuse the laws - and generally tend to get away with it. Any criticicm of them is clearly (unfortunately) seen to be non PC!
bend the rules i dont know what your talking about
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 matthau South Croydon 07 Dec 04 1.45am |
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Quote redacted well if theyre not to embrace our culture id expect to be able to walk freely in their countries, not wearing the appropriate clothing, not to have my wife dressed from head to toe, to be able to eat any meat.my point is, ok, let them experience and carryon the own traditions but to embrace ours too. You cant deny that if a few million white british bron christians for example decided to live in these countries mentioned, u cant deny that if they kept to their own way of living, their own way of praying, dressing etc theyd be, OH MY GOD! theyd be at the very least ridiculed. and thats putting it lightly.
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| tetley Wimbledon 07 Dec 04 2.04am |
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Quote matthau at 07 Dec 2004 1:45am
well if theyre not to embrace our culture id expect to be able to walk freely in their countries, not wearing the appropriate clothing, not to have my wife dressed from head to toe, to be able to eat any meat. my point is, ok, let them experience and carryon the own traditions but to embrace ours too. You cant deny that if a few million white british bron christians for example decided to live in these countries mentioned, u cant deny that if they kept to their own way of living, their own way of praying, dressing etc theyd be, OH MY GOD! theyd be at the very least ridiculed. and thats putting it lightly. Quote rach_d_cpfc at 06 Dec 2004 12:03am
Sorry, but I just don't buy the excuse that we should treat people of other religions and races badly just because that's the treatment we might receive if we were in another country. I know that Christians in particular, and whites in general, are persecuted in many countries around the world, but since when does someone else doing something wrong make it right for you to do it back? Treating other people with respect is the way you are most likely to gain their trust. Yes, you may get some people who think you're there to be a pushover, but I believe the majority respond positively to that attitude in this country, and become more likely to integrate. fair point matthau - but one that i believe has already been nullified by rach_d_cpfc
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| saxoneagle Bromley 07 Dec 04 10.48am |
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Quote tetley at 07 Dec 2004 2:04am
Quote matthau at 07 Dec 2004 1:45am
well if theyre not to embrace our culture id expect to be able to walk freely in their countries, not wearing the appropriate clothing, not to have my wife dressed from head to toe, to be able to eat any meat. my point is, ok, let them experience and carryon the own traditions but to embrace ours too. You cant deny that if a few million white british bron christians for example decided to live in these countries mentioned, u cant deny that if they kept to their own way of living, their own way of praying, dressing etc theyd be, OH MY GOD! theyd be at the very least ridiculed. and thats putting it lightly. Quote rach_d_cpfc at 06 Dec 2004 12:03am
Sorry, but I just don't buy the excuse that we should treat people of other religions and races badly just because that's the treatment we might receive if we were in another country. I know that Christians in particular, and whites in general, are persecuted in many countries around the world, but since when does someone else doing something wrong make it right for you to do it back? Treating other people with respect is the way you are most likely to gain their trust. Yes, you may get some people who think you're there to be a pushover, but I believe the majority respond positively to that attitude in this country, and become more likely to integrate. fair point matthau - but one that i believe has already been nullified by rach_d_cpfc
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| Legal Eagle A town where fog lights shine, eve... 08 Dec 04 5.00pm |
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Quote redacted If I moved to the U.S/Australia/Canada etc, I would still very much support British/English teams, this would not be aimed at usurping any national aim/culture of the country I reside in at the time. I think that sport is very separate from the matters being debated here.On the University diversity subject, come to Warwick University, a massive number of international students. Recently the Asian Society (and before someone jumps on its existence, there are hundreds of societies celebrating English culture, not least of all the sports / drinking societies) put up posters in traditional Chinese script, with no English translation. You'll be very pleased to know that the equal opps officer told them to remove the posters and put up an English translation - multiculturalism at its best?Finally, Jonsey's points. While I don't dispute the persecution of Christian's abroad, that is no reason to persecute Muslims et al domestically. All that would follow is ever worsening persecution of ourselves abroad. And the generalisation of immigrants in the first paragraph... well do some research Jonsey. While doubtlessly there are some spongers among immigrants, there are among British nationals too. The vast majority of immigrants come here to benefit the country - I'm sure that your dad was not in Saudi Arabia to sponge off the system.Now everyone stop arguing, I'm supposed to be doing an essay. Of course, if you want to argue about Abu Ghraib, that would be most useful!!!
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| Jonsey wherever I lay my toolbox thats my... 12 Dec 04 1.02am |
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| IMpalace London 13 Dec 04 1.10pm |
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having unfortunatly liveing in saudi arabia if i did that i would of been killed!!! out there your treated like s*** as far as there concerned your white and should be killed. they dont build churches infact if you are seen to be performing and religous ceremonies other than islam you would be im-prissoned and recieve 50 lashes. if i burnt the flag id have my head chopped off infact if i even said the king is a t*** od have my head chopped off. you may think this is crap but iv expierienced it and if you do research maybe you might find something like this but i doubt it. Firstly, Saudi is a ridiculously extreme example of the Middle East. I think you will find that most Arabs in the Middle East find Saudi extreme, and few agrew with their ways of life or the way they treat foreigners. Secondly, i believe it was Singaporean Eagle who said that in many Arab countries it's against the law to practice Christanity. This is simply not true, so please don't even try to pass it off as true. If you had visited most of the Middle East you will find that it is perfectly legal to practice christianity, so please don't look at Saudi as an indicator to how most of the Middle East treats its foreigners. Thirdly i would like to say that i agree totally with the view that the level PC in UK is ridiculous. The goverment are so worried about pleasing the minority that they're unfortunately upsetting the minority. Edited by IMpalace (13 Dec 2004 1:11pm)
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