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Not asking you to think highly of them. I couldn’t care less. Just struggling to understand why there’s so much vitriol and envy pointed their way but not at other well-paid people. Originally posted by est1905
Explain why we should think highly of them.
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Originally posted by scuffy
Not asking you to think highly of them. I couldn’t care less. Just struggling to understand why there’s so much vitriol and envy pointed their way but not at other well-paid people. Because, as previously mentioned, your example of lawyers/bankers in my opinion was a bad one. Firstly they still (in the vast majority of cases) earn considerably less than Premiership footballers. Secondly they will have had to study at University and embark on a long climb up the career ladder for in some cases decades to reach the top of their profession. Thirdly, they often work 16 hour days to justify their salary. Finally, because of 1,2 & 3 they have the discipline and dedication to justify what they earn.
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Originally posted by scuffy
Not asking you to think highly of them. I couldn’t care less. Just struggling to understand why there’s so much vitriol and envy pointed their way but not at other well-paid people. Because this is a Palace forum and it's about football. My vitriol is due to the fact that PL footballers seem to be showing very little concern for the welfare of the clubs that are paying them. How long do you think CPFC will survive paying the playing staff their full salaries with no income?
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Originally posted by scuffy
How do you know the old guard and Tomkins are different? Do you know them or are you just spouting uninformed, ignorant crap yourself? I’ve been supporting Palace for long enough to see what players are about. The last group we had real bonds with was the last promotion team and a few after that. God even Zaha treats us like idiots for 3 months a year.
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Originally posted by scuffy
I don’t idolize them either but I also don’t resort to the mass generalizations and stereotyping that’s prevalent on this thread. Yawn. Let’s see them do something then. Oh wait. And we will. A long time.
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Originally posted by est1905
Because, as previously mentioned, your example of lawyers/bankers in my opinion was a bad one. Firstly they still (in the vast majority of cases) earn considerably less than Premiership footballers. Secondly they will have had to study at University and embark on a long climb up the career ladder for in some cases decades to reach the top of their profession. Thirdly, they often work 16 hour days to justify their salary. Finally, because of 1,2 & 3 they have the discipline and dedication to justify what they earn. Very well said. Prem Footballers have a sense of entitlement because they’ve earned fortunes the whole way through. A big reality check is hurtling towards all involved right now and they’re trying to resist doing something to ease the financial pressure on clubs. Tax lost to the NHS, deferments, not wanting the club to spend money on transfers after their cuts, wealthy owners or not. These are all ridiculous and illogical reasons to duck out of doing anything. If they wanted to get their money back if they clubs don’t end up needing it they could have that easily written into contractual agreements between the players and the clubs but they won’t. Instead it’s deferments or Arsenal players’ 12.5% pay cut while their executives take a 33% pay cut. I expect former players or media people relying on future contact with players to defend them but nobody else.
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Originally posted by scuffy
There’s just no logic to that argument. Why should footballers, in particular, donate 50 percent of their wages to charity? Are you suggesting other well paid people do the same or is this just targeted purely at footballers? no not just footballers, that why i said they shouldnt take a pay cut but donate...as should the s***house billionaires begging like oliver for handouts. if a footballer (or any highly paid professional) for that matter has been sensible they wouldnt miss 50% of their salary for 6 months. many charity's are going to go to the wall during this difficult premier league clubs will survive this time without players taking pay cuts...other areas of business wont.
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
That doesn’t solve the problems the clubs have. PL clubs wont have issues, lower down the pyramid yes, but palace wont have problems during this time...it just means we wont spend money on transfers, which quite ironically we have been practicing for years 😂
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
PL clubs wont have issues, lower down the pyramid yes, but palace wont have problems during this time...it just means we wont spend money on transfers, which quite ironically we have been practicing for years 😂 They can risk a longer term pay cut in the championship instead then lol. A big thing in the list of what players expect from their clubs is transfers. Now they effectively don’t. Funny that. Club, fans and game come after wallet every time. We see it every summer. This time it’s just come earlier dressed up as something else as if we’re being mean.
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If these prem players don’t want prem clubs to be making transfers if they take a pay cut then they’ll all have to stay put. I was going to say they’ll have to stay on the same pay when extending contracts but all that will achieve is no contracts are extended, only for the players’ agents to take the clubs to the cleaners further down the line. How anyone can defend people making multi millions and not take a cut to prevent problems coming from and to the very thing and people that pay their wages is truly beyond me it really is. Especially when people defending them are in the mass group of people the players are effectively taking the p1ss out of. I seriously doubt the players have thought this through beyond: What can we use to make people not want us to take a pay cut? We know. Tax paid going to the NHS. Our owner is richer than us. He can pay us. They sound like children, because they are.
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Ian Wright "Football is the punching bag" Sorry Ian you are wrong this is about rich owners and rich PL clubs trying to get money off the taxpayer. Beckham's wife has just done the same thing with her fashion brand and is rightly getting stick for it. Anyone company that is paying millions in salaries to some staff whilst pleading poverty should get the same stick. Meanwhile in the lower leagues those clubs are really struggling and the rich PL clubs don't give a stuff and probably wouldn't mind if they just went bust. So Ian it's about taking the taxpayer for a ride and not looking after your own, it's about the FA the PL and the PFA not addressing the elephant in the room. Football has always been short sighted and selfish well don't expect much sympathy from the public. Boo hoo some rich players are being ask to take a temporary pay cut well millions of people don't know if they have a job and if they do how long it will last. Edited by Badger11 (19 Apr 2020 12.48pm)
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As I said, the only people taking the footballers’ side are former players or media people who rely on football players favour and cooperation in the future. Oh and a few people taking a contrarian view for the sake of it. Arsenal players taking a 12.5% cut and their executive team taking a 30% cut says it all. Again they’ll be looking at their richer owner and those directors taking millions every year instead of trying to run a competitive football club that is incidentally better for shareholders long term. But that isn’t how business works. The football clubs’ revenue is the issue, not the bank accounts of owners from previous years when they were all making lots of money. And Ian Wright is probably the last person to ever take notice of unless it’s about striker instinct.
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