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so the argument seems to be ''pakistani muslim rape gangs are ok because the white man was raping across the colonies a few hundred years ago'' man , there are some messed up people on this website.
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
so the argument seems to be ''pakistani muslim rape gangs are ok because the white man was raping across the colonies a few hundred years ago'' man , there are some messed up people on this website. No...this is my argument. Tommy Robinson amplifies the cases of Muslim grooming gangs to suit his political agenda. This is despite the fact that experts in the area disagree with his conclusions. He does this to imply that there is something particular within Islamic culture which condones or allows grooming and CSE to take place. I'm saying that, historically, this is clearly not true. CSE is a serious and often unreported problem. Those tackling it should do so indiscriminately and with society's full backing. Instead, we are slashing the budget of social services, and giving more of a platform to a man with a barely disguised agenda than to the experts.
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Originally posted by serial thriller
And we can counter that with the government's own figures which show that 86% of those convicted for child sex offences were white as of the latest evidence, in 2011. Is it a murky, complex issue? I would refer you to the conclusions raised in your link from the CEOP investigation, which warned against drawing explicit conclusions from the data because a) "this data isn't a comprehensive picture of group abuse and exploitation in the UK" and b) "child sexual abuse by lone offenders is more common than abuse by groups" and "we don’t know how many of those lone offenders are white or Asian". What Tommy Robinson is doing, is ignoring the views of those in the field and using a selective portion of child sexual offences for his own political gain. You have to remember that this is a man who fronted the EDL, a group who would go to Islamic-dominated areas purposefully and get in to confrontations, with some of their members even murdering peaceful Muslims. What sickens me as someone who works with vulnerable children is that we would stoop so low in the debate on CSE, just to further xenephobic and discriminatory beliefs. Edited by serial thriller (03 Aug 2018 3.22pm) I'm not disputing the figures for the white loan abusers or Asian group abusers. Are you still denying the extremely high proportion of Asian gang paedos? Why is it the likes of Maajid Nawaz accept these facts and you can't? Tommy Robinson is particularly highlighting the Asian paedos because the local councils, police, central government and the media have refused to do so due to fear of racism. Many reports have concluded this and hundreds, if not thousands of young girls have been abused because of this. Does this sit right with you? Robinson has nothing to do with the EDL and quit five years ago because worry of far-right infiltrators. He was actually assaulted by one. Can you provide a link for "their members even murdering peaceful Muslims"? You dismiss facts because they are "xenephobic and discriminatory". Are you actually serious? Quilliam, who wrote the report, are a British-pakistani think-tank. Edited by Penge Eagle (03 Aug 2018 6.22pm)
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
I'm not disputing the figures for the white loan abusers or Asian group abusers. Are you still denying the extremely high proportion of Asian gang paedos? Why is it the likes of Maajid Nawaz accept these facts and you can't? Tommy Robinson is particularly highlighting the Asian paedos because the local councils, police, central government and the media have refused to do so due to fear of racism. Many reports have concluded this and hundreds, if not thousands of young girls have been abused because of this. Does this sit right with you? Robinson has nothing to do with the EDL and quit five years ago because worry of far-right infiltrators. He was actually assaulted by one. Can you provide a link for "their members even murdering peaceful Muslims"? You dismiss facts because they are "xenephobic and discriminatory". Are you actually serious? Edited by Penge Eagle (03 Aug 2018 6.21pm) Or maybe they are just following the line of most experts who say that there is insufficient evidence as most cases of CSE go unreported? As I say, when in a case as sensitive as this you make such bold and contentious claims off the basis of what is accepted to be insufficient evidence, you are threatening to bring the whole issue in to disrepute. As for EDL violence and incitement to murder, take these quotes from wiki: [Link] Copsey noted that "it is hard to escape the conclusion that, on the ground, the EDL is a violent organisation."[173] In various cases, EDL demonstrators have damaged Asian-owned businesses and property;[277] in October 2011, EDL members stormed and ransacked an Islamic bookstore,[133] and in August 2011 an EDL member was convicted for vandalising a mosque.[278] Demonstrations have also led to physical attacks on Asians themselves.[245] Not all targets of EDL violence have been Muslim; in a July 2010 demonstration in Dudley, EDL members attacked a Hindu temple. It is unclear whether they mistook it for a mosque or whether it reflected broader racist attitudes among the demonstrators extending beyond Islamophobia.[162] And Darren Osbourne who attacked Finsbury Park mosque was a member of Britain First and read Tommy Robinson's material: [Link] Further on in the wiki piece: "On 7 December 2011, EDL activist Simon Beech was one of two men jailed for ten years for an arson attack on a mosque." Finally, I don't dismiss facts. I dismiss conclusions. The fact that grooming groups are disproportionately Asian is NOT the same as the conclusion that this means we should have a ban on Muslims coming in to this country, that the media is on some PC conspiracy or that Islamic culture is particularly guilty of CSE. No expert in the field would claim it, only those with a predisposition to blame Muslims for all our social ills would be callous enough to weaponise it, all the while, like I say, remaining silent as our government slashes the budgets of those who actually help in these cases.
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It's quite amusing reading Serial's post. He seems to be trying to convince us that the EDL are anti Islamic. Yes, they are. Then he makes the highly unethical connection between Robinson and that terrorist attack. Guilt by association.......Errr...a recently convicted terrorist attended a demonstration chaired by Diane Abbott and other far left figures......So let's smear Diane Abbott: basement level thinking. While I have no issues with peaceful Muslims and I don't condone violence against them I most certainly am completely against Islamic activism of any kind.....Like Hitchens said, it is the most dangerous of all the religions. Also, the higher the demographic, the higher both the political activism will be and the number we have to put on watch lists. Oh....and according to Serial that's because we have the cheek to go to war. Well, perhaps people who don't have loyalty to this country shouldn't be in it.....At least you apparently buggered off to Germany.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Aug 2018 7.11pm) and also it would be nice if they made more effort to integrate and assimilate with everybody else. Something Tommy commented upon. Building bridges and all that. Edited by PalazioVecchio (03 Aug 2018 7.39pm)
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Or maybe they are just following the line of most experts who say that there is insufficient evidence as most cases of CSE go unreported? As I say, when in a case as sensitive as this you make such bold and contentious claims off the basis of what is accepted to be insufficient evidence, you are threatening to bring the whole issue in to disrepute. As for EDL violence and incitement to murder, take these quotes from wiki: [Link] Copsey noted that "it is hard to escape the conclusion that, on the ground, the EDL is a violent organisation."[173] In various cases, EDL demonstrators have damaged Asian-owned businesses and property;[277] in October 2011, EDL members stormed and ransacked an Islamic bookstore,[133] and in August 2011 an EDL member was convicted for vandalising a mosque.[278] Demonstrations have also led to physical attacks on Asians themselves.[245] Not all targets of EDL violence have been Muslim; in a July 2010 demonstration in Dudley, EDL members attacked a Hindu temple. It is unclear whether they mistook it for a mosque or whether it reflected broader racist attitudes among the demonstrators extending beyond Islamophobia.[162] And Darren Osbourne who attacked Finsbury Park mosque was a member of Britain First and read Tommy Robinson's material: [Link] Further on in the wiki piece: "On 7 December 2011, EDL activist Simon Beech was one of two men jailed for ten years for an arson attack on a mosque." Finally, I don't dismiss facts. I dismiss conclusions. The fact that grooming groups are disproportionately Asian is NOT the same as the conclusion that this means we should have a ban on Muslims coming in to this country, that the media is on some PC conspiracy or that Islamic culture is particularly guilty of CSE. No expert in the field would claim it, only those with a predisposition to blame Muslims for all our social ills would be callous enough to weaponise it, all the while, like I say, remaining silent as our government slashes the budgets of those who actually help in these cases. I love how you are hanging on to that disclaimer of the guy who wrote the report. Of course we cannot measure unreported cases - that goes for any type of crime - but I'd say the real figure could be higher. The sensible metric to use is convictions. A bunch of so called EDL members committed violence which I strongly object to. What has that got to do with 84% of convicted gang rapists are Asian? Is it connected? Regarding Darren Osborne, "Prosecutor Jonathan Rees QC said Mr Osborne had become "obsessed" with Muslims and the Rochdale grooming scandal after watching a BBC TV drama." So by your logic, the BBC is also complicit in the attack? [Link] Who has said there should be a "ban on Muslims"? Nobody is "blaming Muslims for all our social ills". You are literally making things up. And you claim austerity is to blame for the thousands of abuse victims not getting help...
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If you Google the qoran you will see that way back when if a woman was a witness to a crime it needs two to one man. In case one screwed up they might believe the other one.
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Originally posted by cryrst
If you Google the qoran you will see that way back when if a woman was a witness to a crime it needs two to one man. In case one screwed up they might believe the other one. "For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does..." Now how f####d up is that .. really. All religions are a bit nuts. Ban all Christians?
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
"For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does..." Now how f####d up is that .. really. All religions are a bit nuts. Ban all Christians? The full quote is: "For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does; likewise the husband does not rule over his own body, but the wife does." Why have you omitted half the sentence?
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
"For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does..." Now how f####d up is that .. really. All religions are a bit nuts. Ban all Christians? Apart from the partial quote the Christian bible isn't accepted by most Christians as the virtue word of God. It's meant to be inspired by him. However, the Qu'ran is considered by Muslims to be the perfect world of god that can't be changed. Hence Christians and Jews have a far easier time ignoring passages that they find unpalatable......However, this is far less easy for a pious Muslim. This is why despite the Bible...or more specifically the old testament being more violent than any other book the number of fundamentalists from this book are considerably lower than we find in Islam. I have to continually repeat this point to the left who conflate Islam to other religions. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Aug 2018 9.16pm)
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