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Terrible performance today. Yep. I think deep down most fans expected a hiccup given the relatively short turn around in manager and playing style. I echo the comments about our current players not entirely being suited to the 3-4-3 system. That said, I think we are only a few players away from it being feasible. It also won't happen overnight. I think we are fairly lucky to have attracted a manager of FDB's general status and calibre. Admittedly, his managerial achievements were in the Dutch league and in different circumstances. However, his knowledge of the game and contacts across Europe provide great potential. Hopefully this will pay dividends in years to come. I'm sure he'll understand what happened today and might not be scared to be a little more flexible with his approach. Afterall he doesn't want another sacking. I guess the next few weeks and transfer window will dictate his plans, but he's not a mug and has been around a bit. Hopefully he might tweak things for certain games and adopt different approaches depending on the opposition. Maybe we'll go to Liverpool and play 4-2-3-1? To assume we will play the same style week in week out is unfair until proved otherwise. I think it's only fair to give him at least half a season to get things going. Steve Parish has mostly made great appointments given the snap shot in time. As s*** as today was and I mean truly f***ing embarrassing it's too early to write FDB off. I'm in little doubt that if we had played a similar style as under Big Sam we would have got a result today. It's just a shame we wasted a potentially good home fixture in a state of transition. Let's just get behind the team and hope we learn from today and make subtle if not wholesale changes in the short term.
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Yes, embarrassing. Our manager *ank de Boer wanted to make an impression ... and so he did! He speaks fluent boll*cks as well as double Dutch if anyone bothered to listen to him after the game? Oh dear, it's not looking good so can we send him back to wherever he came from?
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Originally posted by europalace
The club and players need support when they are under pressure from factors such as a new playing tactic or when a new manager arrives. What they received today was the complete opposite, so yes spoiled children who don't understand the first thing about support or when it's required. Seasoned 'fans'? Then that makes it even more embarrassing as they should know better if they've truly followed the club for so long, absolutely no excuse. It's very simple if we go down we are finished, do you understand what that means? I wasn't at the game today, so I don't know the reaction from the crowd. But The fans have had f all at home for so long, so if they vented frustration at the fact that we were playing a system without the personal to play that system then fair enough in my view, we've had so much crap for too many seasons. So perhaps it was a message to the manager and the board. And for the record I'm not one to boo/hiss or vent, but I understand why people do. 3 very big points dropped today, it's not like we even looked in the game,
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It was without question an extremely poor performance, several players were asked questions today. A number showed that they simply can't play the tippy tappy football that FdB wants. Either there has to be some compromise on style or a change in personel. It is fortunately early in the season and there is still time to make changes, but action needs to be taken sooner rather than later. FdB has to show his pedigree and get it right quickly.
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Originally posted by Sheffield_Eagle
Terrible performance today. Yep. I think deep down most fans expected a hiccup given the relatively short turn around in manager and playing style. I echo the comments about our current players not entirely being suited to the 3-4-3 system. That said, I think we are only a few players away from it being feasible. It also won't happen overnight. I think we are fairly lucky to have attracted a manager of FDB's general status and calibre. Admittedly, his managerial achievements were in the Dutch league and in different circumstances. However, his knowledge of the game and contacts across Europe provide great potential. Hopefully this will pay dividends in years to come. I'm sure he'll understand what happened today and might not be scared to be a little more flexible with his approach. Afterall he doesn't want another sacking. I guess the next few weeks and transfer window will dictate his plans, but he's not a mug and has been around a bit. Hopefully he might tweak things for certain games and adopt different approaches depending on the opposition. Maybe we'll go to Liverpool and play 4-2-3-1? To assume we will play the same style week in week out is unfair until proved otherwise. I think it's only fair to give him at least half a season to get things going. Steve Parish has mostly made great appointments given the snap shot in time. As s*** as today was and I mean truly f***ing embarrassing it's too early to write FDB off. I'm in little doubt that if we had played a similar style as under Big Sam we would have got a result today. It's just a shame we wasted a potentially good home fixture in a state of transition. Let's just get behind the team and hope we learn from today and make subtle if not wholesale changes in the short term. It's not a hiccup - it's a complete change of style by someone who doesn't know the premiership and thinks we can play this way and win games. Only those with a quality squad can do that. Why change a system that works for a team like ourselves - it's complete madness. There is nothing wrong playing an Alardyce or Pullis way. We had a chance of going forward in this league (loads of dosh) playing that way and being mid table / just below and some cup runs. . Why change it?
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Originally posted by cpfc1976
Disagree with you completely. Many of us have been fans for decades. If you have been a palace fan for any length of time you will know we are among the most tolerent set of fans there are. Over the years we very rarely boo the team. We are (apart from a notable few) always very good at clapping/acknowledging returning ex players. So I think you have picked the wrong set of fans to label the way you are. The reason for the strong feelings on this occasion, are because the wounds are still very much sore from the Pardew experiment last year and most can see FdB is taking us down a similar route that will risk our Prem status. Relegation would be a distaster and completely avoidable if we learnt from and built on the recent lessons from BFS, be compact, be hard to beat and play to our strengths. Summed up perfectly
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there is no point talking about pardew or fat sam...the difference between them was big mamadou sakho thats all, before sakho sam was no dofferent to pardew...thats worth remembering & some. we lost 3-0 today but in parts we did play football and create chances, but for me wilf needs to be out wide, theres to many players to double/triple up on him when hes in the middle of the pitch. fair f***s to huddersfield they did their homework, pressed well & nullified our biggest threat but lets not lie we created a number of very good chances & could have on that game 6-3 on another day. we CAN play this style and it told that the ajax boy is de boers mate as he followed his instructions to the tee but everybody else seemed nervous and not comfortable on the ball. the crux of the situation is that the board need to spend £50m on ball playing defenders or we need to go back to being a counter team.
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Just been watching the championship highlights and Wolves tore Derby apart as this did Middlesbrough last week with 3 players that shone in the champions league knock out stages. Granted they're probably the richest club in England with Fosun owning them but surely we can be looking at players like Neves and Jota they've signed from Porto and Atletico Madrid? And that's without their best player Costa out injured. Is it a case of agents/contacts? They have super agent Jorge Mendes behind them but who do we have scouting Europe? Apparently Ruben Neves ran Chelsea ragged in the Champions League two years ago and now he's playing second tier football, why aren't palace scouting these players? Today was hopefully just a blip but it does worry me that our scouting network across Europe is substandard
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
there is no point talking about pardew or fat sam...the difference between them was big mamadou sakho thats all, before sakho sam was no dofferent to pardew...thats worth remembering & some. we lost 3-0 today but in parts we did play football and create chances, but for me wilf needs to be out wide, theres to many players to double/triple up on him when hes in the middle of the pitch. fair f***s to huddersfield they did their homework, pressed well & nullified our biggest threat but lets not lie we created a number of very good chances & could have on that game 6-3 on another day. we CAN play this style and it told that the ajax boy is de boers mate as he followed his instructions to the tee but everybody else seemed nervous and not comfortable on the ball. the crux of the situation is that the board need to spend £50m on ball playing defenders or we need to go back to being a counter team. Hang on, we either can play this formation or we can't, it's evident that we can't unless we spend 50 odd mil on new defenders, including a goalie.
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
there is no point talking about pardew or fat sam...the difference between them was big mamadou sakho thats all, before sakho sam was no dofferent to pardew...thats worth remembering & some. we lost 3-0 today but in parts we did play football and create chances, but for me wilf needs to be out wide, theres to many players to double/triple up on him when hes in the middle of the pitch. fair f***s to huddersfield they did their homework, pressed well & nullified our biggest threat but lets not lie we created a number of very good chances & could have on that game 6-3 on another day. we CAN play this style and it told that the ajax boy is de boers mate as he followed his instructions to the tee but everybody else seemed nervous and not comfortable on the ball. the crux of the situation is that the board need to spend £50m on ball playing defenders or we need to go back to being a counter team. But the board will never pay £50m!!
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Originally posted by Jacey
But the board will never pay £50m!! sorry, its rather rude to expect steve parish to not take a holiday, afterall most us fans have 4 every year. lets not blame the loan signings as actually FLC & TRM were the only 2 players to come out of the game with merit. im not saying £50m on one player but we do need 2 decent, experienced CB's. reidewald looked ok but will take time to adaot to the PL, but its clear he is no marquee signing. also it wouldav been irresponsible to sign sakho as soon as the window opened especially as he had a ligament problem, but if he is fit we need him now...and i bet he would come
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Originally posted by homes
Summed up perfectly Its very bad luck that BFS resigned. The team really played for him, and seemed to have rediscovered the Palace counterattacking pattern of play. Sakho got injured three games or so before the end of the season, and we still continued that pattern of play. Ironically, it was I think Steve Parish who decided to change the Palace DNA by choosing a manager hwo made it very clear that he was going to change things around. But whatever style of play, it was basic errors that let us down, like not protecting against near post crosses, or allowing free headers 5 yards out. This hopefully is correctable. It had better be! Inthink there is no choice but to continue with a 3-4-3,etc. One thing for usre is that the whole coaching staff will owrk very hard to change things around, I suppose all of us have to hold our nerve - and hope that things get better soon!
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