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georgenorman 23 Aug 22 9.17pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That doesn’t mean it has the responsibility to enact them does it? It’s expected to do the leg work and it also overseas the implementation into National laws. That’s inevitable in the kind of organisation that has so many members. The decision making rests with the democratically elected representatives. Making sure that the proposed legislation gets approved depends on the Commissions prior work It’s far from perfect, but not is ours or any other. It’s whether, on balance, it serves. I guess we disagree on that! Your usual squid-ink. The parties elected to the EU 'parliament' have no means of implementing their manifestos and policies - there is no mechanism for them to do so. Unelected EU Commissioners decide what laws they are going to put forward. MEPs have about as much real power as the North Korean Peoples Assembly. If you can't vote for and against the people that make the laws that govern you then you do not live in a democracy.
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georgenorman

23 Aug 22 9.17pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That doesn’t mean it has the responsibility to enact them does it?

It’s expected to do the leg work and it also overseas the implementation into National laws. That’s inevitable in the kind of organisation that has so many members.

The decision making rests with the democratically elected representatives. Making sure that the proposed legislation gets approved depends on the Commissions prior work

It’s far from perfect, but not is ours or any other. It’s whether, on balance, it serves.

I guess we disagree on that!

Your usual squid-ink.
The parties elected to the EU 'parliament' have no means of implementing their manifestos and policies - there is no mechanism for them to do so.
Unelected EU Commissioners decide what laws they are going to put forward. MEPs have about as much real power as the North Korean Peoples Assembly.
If you can't vote for and against the people that make the laws that govern you then you do not live in a democracy.

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georgenorman 23 Aug 22 9.18pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That doesn’t mean it has the responsibility to enact them does it? It’s expected to do the leg work and it also overseas the implementation into National laws. That’s inevitable in the kind of organisation that has so many members. The decision making rests with the democratically elected representatives. Making sure that the proposed legislation gets approved depends on the Commissions prior work It’s far from perfect, but not is ours or any other. It’s whether, on balance, it serves. I guess we disagree on that! Your usual squid-ink. The parties elected to the EU 'parliament' have no means of implementing their manifestos and policies - there is no mechanism for them to do so. Unelected EU Commissioners decide what laws they are going to put forward. MEPs have about as much real power as the North Korean Peoples Assembly. If you can't vote for and against the people that make the laws that govern you then you do not live in a democracy.
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georgenorman

23 Aug 22 9.18pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That doesn’t mean it has the responsibility to enact them does it?

It’s expected to do the leg work and it also overseas the implementation into National laws. That’s inevitable in the kind of organisation that has so many members.

The decision making rests with the democratically elected representatives. Making sure that the proposed legislation gets approved depends on the Commissions prior work

It’s far from perfect, but not is ours or any other. It’s whether, on balance, it serves.

I guess we disagree on that!

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Swindy Bromley 23 Aug 22 10.09pm
Anything that gets the ball rolling towards getting the complete stupidity of Brexit overturned has got to be a good thing, So many less than enlightened people voting for it to get rid of non-British nationals, though to be fair the thing was rushed through at the last election without much explanation. So far we are left with delays to deliveries, due to a lack of drivers, who knew ?? A serious shortage of nurses, midwives and doctors, who knew ?? It now takes for ever to get out of Dover by road & longer to get back in through passport control, who knew ?? It is part of the current damage to the economy, who knew ?? Where is the history of evidence showing that going it alone from the rest of Europe actually works successfully ?? Just empty election promises at the time from the 3rd rate journalist & Eton halfwit, the man who should arguably go down in history as the most inept Prime Minister this country has ever had the misfortune to have, along with his now ex-cabinet colleagues, all self-serving career civil servants.
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Swindy

Bromley 23 Aug 22 10.09pm

Anything that gets the ball rolling towards getting the complete stupidity of Brexit overturned has got to be a good thing,
So many less than enlightened people voting for it to get rid of non-British nationals, though to be fair the thing was rushed through at the last election without much explanation.
So far we are left with delays to deliveries, due to a lack of drivers, who knew ??
A serious shortage of nurses, midwives and doctors, who knew ??
It now takes for ever to get out of Dover by road & longer to get back in through passport control, who knew ??
It is part of the current damage to the economy, who knew ??
Where is the history of evidence showing that going it alone from the rest of Europe actually works successfully ??
Just empty election promises at the time from the 3rd rate journalist & Eton halfwit, the man who should arguably go down in history as the most inept Prime Minister this country has ever had the misfortune to have, along with his now ex-cabinet colleagues, all self-serving career civil servants.

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Spiderman Horsham 23 Aug 22 10.14pm
Originally posted by Swindy Anything that gets the ball rolling towards getting the complete stupidity of Brexit overturned has got to be a good thing, So many less than enlightened people voting for it to get rid of non-British nationals, though to be fair the thing was rushed through at the last election without much explanation. So far we are left with delays to deliveries, due to a lack of drivers, who knew ?? A serious shortage of nurses, midwives and doctors, who knew ?? It now takes for ever to get out of Dover by road & longer to get back in through passport control, who knew ?? It is part of the current damage to the economy, who knew ?? Where is the history of evidence showing that going it alone from the rest of Europe actually works successfully ?? Just empty election promises at the time from the 3rd rate journalist & Eton halfwit, the man who should arguably go down in history as the most inept Prime Minister this country has ever had the misfortune to have, along with his now ex-cabinet colleagues, all self-serving career civil servants. Absolute twaddle. Is there a serious shortage of nurses, midwives and doctors? If so, isthat due to Brexit? Any EU national working here could register (over 6 million have) to continue to work here. Have you considered that many may have returned home due to COVID? Probably not, doesn’t suit your agenda. History of evidence? We weren’t doing too badly before we joined the Common Market Edited by Spiderman (23 Aug 2022 10.18pm)
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Spiderman

Horsham 23 Aug 22 10.14pm

Originally posted by Swindy

Absolute twaddle. Is there a serious shortage of nurses, midwives and doctors? If so, isthat due to Brexit? Any EU national working here could register (over 6 million have) to continue to work here. Have you considered that many may have returned home due to COVID? Probably not, doesn’t suit your agenda.
History of evidence? We weren’t doing too badly before we joined the Common Market

Edited by Spiderman (23 Aug 2022 10.18pm)

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Swindy Bromley 23 Aug 22 10.16pm
To Spider-Man, Read the news !!
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Swindy

Bromley 23 Aug 22 10.16pm

To Spider-Man,
Read the news !!

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 22 10.17pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Your usual squid-ink. The parties elected to the EU 'parliament' have no means of implement/ling their manifestos and policies - there is no mechanism for them to do so. Unelected EU Commissioners decide what laws they are going to put forward. MEPs have about as much real power as the North Korean Peoples Assembly. If you can't vote for and against the people that make the laws that govern you then you do not live in a democracy. The EU is not a federal organisation. Each member’s Parliament remains sovereign. It has a special structure because of that. It couldn’t work any other way. As I doubt you would want us to be part of a federal structure anymore than I do it’s important to recognise what the functions actually are and not what they aren’t. The Commissioners don’t work in a vacuum. They work to an agenda specified by the Council, who are the link to us, the voters. The Parliament scrutinises and passes or rejects new laws. In some cases it can amend itself. In others it needs to do so together with the Council. It’s unwieldy but that’s the nature of the organisation. I see much greater good from belonging than not. But I reject federalism. So I hope to see a new category of membership emerge. An inner core and an outer one which is part of the free trade and free movement arrangements but which retains sovereignty. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (23 Aug 2022 10.19pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 23 Aug 22 10.17pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Your usual squid-ink.
The parties elected to the EU 'parliament' have no means of implement/ling their manifestos and policies - there is no mechanism for them to do so.
Unelected EU Commissioners decide what laws they are going to put forward. MEPs have about as much real power as the North Korean Peoples Assembly.
If you can't vote for and against the people that make the laws that govern you then you do not live in a democracy.

The EU is not a federal organisation. Each member’s Parliament remains sovereign. It has a special structure because of that. It couldn’t work any other way.

As I doubt you would want us to be part of a federal structure anymore than I do it’s important to recognise what the functions actually are and not what they aren’t.

The Commissioners don’t work in a vacuum. They work to an agenda specified by the Council, who are the link to us, the voters. The Parliament scrutinises and passes or rejects new laws. In some cases it can amend itself. In others it needs to do so together with the Council.

It’s unwieldy but that’s the nature of the organisation.

I see much greater good from belonging than not. But I reject federalism. So I hope to see a new category of membership emerge. An inner core and an outer one which is part of the free trade and free movement arrangements but which retains sovereignty.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (23 Aug 2022 10.19pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Spiderman Horsham 23 Aug 22 10.22pm
Originally posted by Swindy To Spider-Man, Read the news !! I do thanks, are you saying COVID has had no influence on EU nationals leaving the UK? If so, you are wrong, from my experience
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Spiderman

Horsham 23 Aug 22 10.22pm

Originally posted by Swindy

To Spider-Man,
Read the news !!

I do thanks, are you saying COVID has had no influence on EU nationals leaving the UK? If so, you are wrong, from my experience

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Swindy Bromley 23 Aug 22 10.56pm
1 man, all-knowing, how do you manage it ?? FYI, l don’t have an agenda, just an opinion, which like you, l am entitled to. If you were like me, around pre-Common Market, then l think it is fair to say the world of today has changed for the worst & the world then & now are not similar.
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Bromley 23 Aug 22 10.56pm

1 man, all-knowing, how do you manage it ??
FYI, l don’t have an agenda, just an opinion, which like you, l am entitled to. If you were like me, around pre-Common Market, then l think it is fair to say the world of today has changed for the worst & the world then & now are not similar.

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steeleye20 Croydon 23 Aug 22 10.58pm
The tories are trying to wheel out Thatcher, it is desperation and no longer relevant, they are even dressing the Truss like her. But there was one thing she did, her free trade agreement, the single market, that brought growth and prosperity to the UK. We cannot return to the EU but we can try to repair the relationship and start to restore our trade in particular. The candidates are in denial about brexit and everything else the UK is isolated and massively in debt. I am hoping for a large turn-out, the sort of thing, like the Iraq war demonstration, that shows how people think, even if they can't do much.
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Croydon 23 Aug 22 10.58pm

The tories are trying to wheel out Thatcher, it is desperation and no longer relevant, they are even dressing the Truss like her.

But there was one thing she did, her free trade agreement, the single market, that brought growth and prosperity to the UK.

We cannot return to the EU but we can try to repair the relationship and start to restore our trade in particular.

The candidates are in denial about brexit and everything else the UK is isolated and massively in debt.

I am hoping for a large turn-out, the sort of thing, like the Iraq war demonstration, that shows how people think, even if they can't do much.

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Spiderman Horsham 23 Aug 22 11.01pm
Originally posted by Swindy 1 man, all-knowing, how do you manage it ?? FYI, l don’t have an agenda, just an opinion, which like you, l am entitled to. If you were like me, around pre-Common Market, then l think it is fair to say the world of today has changed for the worst & the world then & now are not similar. Where have I said I am all knowing? You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, as I am. In your post you were stating “facts”. In my post I was stating from my experience. Yes I was around pre-common market days. I agree the world has changed for the worse but you cannot put that all down to Brexit surely?
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Spiderman

Horsham 23 Aug 22 11.01pm

Originally posted by Swindy

Where have I said I am all knowing? You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, as I am. In your post you were stating “facts”. In my post I was stating from my experience. Yes I was around pre-common market days. I agree the world has changed for the worse but you cannot put that all down to Brexit surely?

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cryrst The garden of England 23 Aug 22 11.11pm
Originally posted by Swindy Anything that gets the ball rolling towards getting the complete stupidity of Brexit overturned has got to be a good thing, So many less than enlightened people voting for it to get rid of non-British nationals, though to be fair the thing was rushed through at the last election without much explanation. So far we are left with delays to deliveries, due to a lack of drivers, who knew ?? A serious shortage of nurses, midwives and doctors, who knew ?? It now takes for ever to get out of Dover by road & longer to get back in through passport control, who knew ?? It is part of the current damage to the economy, who knew ?? Where is the history of evidence showing that going it alone from the rest of Europe actually works successfully ?? Just empty election promises at the time from the 3rd rate journalist & Eton halfwit, the man who should arguably go down in history as the most inept Prime Minister this country has ever had the misfortune to have, along with his now ex-cabinet colleagues, all self-serving career civil servants. I drove through and past dover docks last week on two different week days. Not a queue in sight. Not sure if you ever went past PRATts bottom !
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The garden of England 23 Aug 22 11.11pm

Originally posted by Swindy

I drove through and past dover docks last week on two different week days. Not a queue in sight. Not sure if you ever went past PRATts bottom !

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Swindy Bromley 23 Aug 22 11.12pm
For someone who says that they keep up with the news, l struggle to understand how you dismiss issues which have oft reported on the news as ‘twaddle’. It is also arguable that we are all starting to have our daily lives affected in ways which they were not pre-Brexit.
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Swindy

Bromley 23 Aug 22 11.12pm

For someone who says that they keep up with the news, l struggle to understand how you dismiss issues which have oft reported on the news as ‘twaddle’.
It is also arguable that we are all starting to have our daily lives affected in ways which they were not pre-Brexit.

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