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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 28 Jan 17 5.05pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

No doubt that Churchill was a fantastic war leader who was able to galvanise the country and troops to victory against fascism. He is rightly lauded for it.

However it can be argued that his forced famine which led to millions of deaths was a form of holocaust. This shouldn't be swept under the carpet.
Here's a piece on the BBC website.
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Yes, it is of course argued by the usual suspects, but there is no comparison with the deliberate famines orchestrated by Stalin and Mao.

 


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View EaglesEaglesEagles's Profile EaglesEaglesEagles Flag 28 Jan 17 5.08pm Send a Private Message to EaglesEaglesEagles Add EaglesEaglesEagles as a friend

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Don't know how accurate this graphic is.

It is specific to dictators and might seem a bit misleading because timescale isn't a factor, simply numbers of deaths. Also, active and passive action aren't one and the same.

Nonetheless, potentially interesting.

 


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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 28 Jan 17 5.14pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Yes, it is of course argued by the usual suspects, but there is no comparison with the deliberate famines orchestrated by Stalin and Mao.

Don't forget Pol Pot or Kim Jong.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 28 Jan 17 5.26pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Yes, it is of course argued by the usual suspects, but there is no comparison with the deliberate famines orchestrated by Stalin and Mao.

Thanks. That makes it alright then. Churchill is exonerated because of Stalin and Mao's c***ishness.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Jan 17 5.31pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Thanks. That makes it alright then. Churchill is exonerated because of Stalin and Mao's c***ishness.

Your true colours are really showing today.

Classic. Do carry on, it's very entertaining.

 

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View NickinOX's Profile NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 28 Jan 17 5.42pm Send a Private Message to NickinOX Add NickinOX as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

No doubt that Churchill was a fantastic war leader who was able to galvanise the country and troops to victory against fascism. He is rightly lauded for it.

However it can be argued that his forced famine which led to millions of deaths was a form of holocaust. This shouldn't be swept under the carpet.
Here's a piece on the BBC website.
[Link]

You might want to read the link you provided (which never manages to show a link between cause and effect): the key points are in the second and sixth paragraphs. Clearly, food was not removed, crops were not deliberately destroyed, people were not deliberately starved, and aid was sent (albeit it after the peak of the crisis).

That shows Churchill was ruthless, and racist, but that still does not make him the same as Hitler, Stalin, or Mao, etc.

Furthermore, many of the things put at Churchill's door, in that link, are factually false. He wasn't even alive for some of the claims. Ergo, they are false.

By the way, who was sweeping it under the carpet, or is that just a strawman?

Last, you might also want to look at the ongoing debate about food aid and famine, and the link between them, as it relates to the Bengal famine during WWII as well as some similar huge disasters in the same region previously (also under British rule). Some countries have chosen to refuse food aid as it often causes more long term problems than it solves, thereby costing more lives.

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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 28 Jan 17 5.59pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by NickinOX

I thought the genocide of the Herero and Nama was well known? I am surprised, that is all. You always seem pretty well read.

I think the day was chosen as it is a specific date that can be remembered. After all, the mass killings all took place over time.

Edited by NickinOX (28 Jan 2017 12.39am)

The joys of world history. No matter how much you and I immerse ourselves we will always only get to know a small-ish fraction of it and that goes for the experts too.

 


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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 28 Jan 17 6.10pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

The joys of world history. No matter how much you and I immerse ourselves we will always only get to know a small-ish fraction of it and that goes for the experts too.

Michael, I agree with you on this point.

 


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View sickboy's Profile sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 28 Jan 17 6.16pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Would have been nice for people to just show respect for the day rather than , as usual, trying to score political points.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Jan 17 6.20pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

Michael, I agree with you on this point.

History is revised over and over to suit the prevailing zeitgeist.
In that respect at least, you can never fully trust it.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 28 Jan 17 6.44pm

Originally posted by sickboy

Would have been nice for people to just show respect for the day rather than , as usual, trying to score political points.

Fair enough.


 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 28 Jan 17 7.13pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

The joys of world history. No matter how much you and I immerse ourselves we will always only get to know a small-ish fraction of it and that goes for the experts too.


History is in general, written by the victors.

 

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