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Quote nickgusset at 18 Apr 2013 8.32pm
hmmm, how come the shard hasn't been finished in this image of the crowds at Maggies funeral in the Sun today? Because it has been put in to placate investors. Total photoshop as it would not be in the background; strange as I told constantly by "intelligentsia" on here that the our right wing press does not lie and is therefore the source for so many threads.
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 18 Apr 13 8.49pm |
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At what point in time will the mining communities stop complaining about the industry being killed off? It's been 30 years now. Will their inability to ever get a job be blamed on Thatcher for infinity? Maybe when decent jobs are available in those areas. The problem isn't just that mining was closed down under thatcher alone, its that the closures were whole sale and created areas of massive unemployment at a time when UK industry was dying off - Meaning that large parts of the UK had massively reduced employment opportunties. The impact of the decline of the Steel Industry and mining was evident when I was at uni in 1996, 25% of Sheffield was unemployed, any kind of real career job was almost impossble to come by. And on the estates further out of the city which had been built around industry the unemployment figure was higher. There simply was no jobs that were ecconomically viable for people, they were better off on the dole. We know what happened. But I'm talking about now. Are you telling me in 30 years the families of these communities are still on the dole and it's still Thatcher's fault? It's funny how people can pass on hatred through generations - a bit like the bigotry in Northern Ireland. Most are still happy to be on the dole.......hence the government today are cutting benefits to make them go and look for a job instead of sat on their fat behinds! Why not be specific and just deny minors or Labour supporters benefits? I really doubt some of these people are happy to on the dole.
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 18 Apr 13 8.53pm |
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Quote Farawayeagle at 18 Apr 2013 6.06pm
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Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.16am
At what point in time will the mining communities stop complaining about the industry being killed off? It's been 30 years now. Will their inability to ever get a job be blamed on Thatcher for infinity? Maybe when decent jobs are available in those areas. The problem isn't just that mining was closed down under thatcher alone, its that the closures were whole sale and created areas of massive unemployment at a time when UK industry was dying off - Meaning that large parts of the UK had massively reduced employment opportunties. The impact of the decline of the Steel Industry and mining was evident when I was at uni in 1996, 25% of Sheffield was unemployed, any kind of real career job was almost impossble to come by. And on the estates further out of the city which had been built around industry the unemployment figure was higher. There simply was no jobs that were ecconomically viable for people, they were better off on the dole. We know what happened. But I'm talking about now. Are you telling me in 30 years the families of these communities are still on the dole and it's still Thatcher's fault? It's funny how people can pass on hatred through generations - a bit like the bigotry in Northern Ireland. That's exactly the train of thought running through my head recently.
This works both ways and you can look at the stereotypical view the South has of the North.
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Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 18 Apr 2013 6.00pm
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Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.16am
At what point in time will the mining communities stop complaining about the industry being killed off? It's been 30 years now. Will their inability to ever get a job be blamed on Thatcher for infinity? Maybe when decent jobs are available in those areas. The problem isn't just that mining was closed down under thatcher alone, its that the closures were whole sale and created areas of massive unemployment at a time when UK industry was dying off - Meaning that large parts of the UK had massively reduced employment opportunties. The impact of the decline of the Steel Industry and mining was evident when I was at uni in 1996, 25% of Sheffield was unemployed, any kind of real career job was almost impossble to come by. And on the estates further out of the city which had been built around industry the unemployment figure was higher. There simply was no jobs that were ecconomically viable for people, they were better off on the dole. We know what happened. But I'm talking about now. Are you telling me in 30 years the families of these communities are still on the dole and it's still Thatcher's fault? It's funny how people can pass on hatred through generations - a bit like the bigotry in Northern Ireland. Most are still happy to be on the dole.......hence the government today are cutting benefits to make them go and look for a job instead of sat on their fat behinds! Two points Might have been difficult for some of the families at the time but no excuse for the younger generation. I came to london in '85 to work for a few years before heading back. 28 years later this is my home. Mate of mine moved lock, stock and family to Norwich in 84 for work in the print trade, still there now. You do what's necessary. Secondly, as others have said, if the unions and workers hadn't been so bloody minded and assumed that they were going to nobble PM number 4 the transition may have been a lot easier. Well apart from the not having money to do so, a job to go to and the soaring cost of housing. Remember that these were people who had no really transferable trade, had been on strike for a year and it was a period of massive unemployment. Why wouldn't someone just turn up in London, with the wife and kids, and hope they could find somewhere to live and a job.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Apr 2013 9.14pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 18 Apr 2013 6.00pm
Quote susmik at 18 Apr 2013 4.39pm
Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 4.35pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Apr 2013 11.27am
Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.16am
At what point in time will the mining communities stop complaining about the industry being killed off? It's been 30 years now. Will their inability to ever get a job be blamed on Thatcher for infinity? Maybe when decent jobs are available in those areas. The problem isn't just that mining was closed down under thatcher alone, its that the closures were whole sale and created areas of massive unemployment at a time when UK industry was dying off - Meaning that large parts of the UK had massively reduced employment opportunties. The impact of the decline of the Steel Industry and mining was evident when I was at uni in 1996, 25% of Sheffield was unemployed, any kind of real career job was almost impossble to come by. And on the estates further out of the city which had been built around industry the unemployment figure was higher. There simply was no jobs that were ecconomically viable for people, they were better off on the dole. We know what happened. But I'm talking about now. Are you telling me in 30 years the families of these communities are still on the dole and it's still Thatcher's fault? It's funny how people can pass on hatred through generations - a bit like the bigotry in Northern Ireland. Most are still happy to be on the dole.......hence the government today are cutting benefits to make them go and look for a job instead of sat on their fat behinds! Two points Might have been difficult for some of the families at the time but no excuse for the younger generation. I came to london in '85 to work for a few years before heading back. 28 years later this is my home. Mate of mine moved lock, stock and family to Norwich in 84 for work in the print trade, still there now. You do what's necessary. Secondly, as others have said, if the unions and workers hadn't been so bloody minded and assumed that they were going to nobble PM number 4 the transition may have been a lot easier. Well apart from the not having money to do so, a job to go to and the soaring cost of housing. Remember that these were people who had no really transferable trade, had been on strike for a year and it was a period of massive unemployment. Why wouldn't someone just turn up in London, with the wife and kids, and hope they could find somewhere to live and a job. As I said difficult for some of the families. Nothing to stop one of the adults travelling for work though - as many did. A lot didn't have skills as such but could drive, labour etc. Younger generation was much easier, I turned up in London with three fifths of f*** all. Made a few mistakes but got there in the end. It didn't have to be as bleak as it was, it's easy to blame Maggie and she wasn't blameless but the unions did absolutely nothing to protect their members. Head in the sand Luddites.
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| Moose In the sewer pipe... 18 Apr 13 10.44pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 18 Apr 2013 8.32pm
hmmm, how come the shard hasn't been finished in this image of the crowds at Maggies funeral in the Sun today?
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 18 Apr 13 10.56pm |
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Every office I've worked in has been full of people from outside London. That's what people do to get good jobs and they love it in the capital. In an ideal world it shouldn't be the case but we don't live in a perfect world, you have to adapt! But Lefties don't want individuals to make their own decisions but instead want the State to organise their lives (job, house) for them. Let's become the Soviet Union. Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Apr 2013 10.59pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Apr 13 10.58pm |
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Quote Moose at 18 Apr 2013 10.44pm
Quote nickgusset at 18 Apr 2013 8.32pm
hmmm, how come the shard hasn't been finished in this image of the crowds at Maggies funeral in the Sun today?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Apr 13 10.59pm |
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Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.56pm
But Lefties don't want individuals to make their own decisions but instead want the State to organise their lives (job, house) for them. Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Apr 2013 10.57pm)
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 18 Apr 13 11.00pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 18 Apr 2013 10.59pm
Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.56pm
But Lefties don't want individuals to make their own decisions but instead want the State to organise their lives (job, house) for them. Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Apr 2013 10.57pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Apr 13 11.13pm |
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Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 11.00pm
Quote nickgusset at 18 Apr 2013 10.59pm
Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.56pm
But Lefties don't want individuals to make their own decisions but instead want the State to organise their lives (job, house) for them. Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Apr 2013 10.57pm)
Yes I got a subsidy towards my mortgage, so did many other public sector workers from other professions, policemen/women, nurses etc etc. It was quite right for the state to intervene here as house prices, particularly in metropolitan areas, were/are too high for people in those careers. The government quite rightly put in place a scheme so that there wouldn't be a shortage of frontline public sector workers in big cities. If I leave teaching, I have to pay back the subsidy, which is fair enough. This is a quite different scenario from the myopic view you portray. Edited by nickgusset (18 Apr 2013 11.14pm)
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 18 Apr 13 11.34pm |
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But Nick, you are happy for the State to pay the workers of an unprofitable industry like the mining. And you are against individuals from moving away from a town that has no jobs to make a living. It's classic State vs Individualism. You are happy for a large State which controls our lives such as our transport system, our energy etc. Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Apr 2013 11.40pm)
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