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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 17 Oct 23 7.27pm
Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines I am trying to say that sometimes if you are attacked you have to hit back harder to protect yourself. I don’t like what is happening over there, nor do you, but I am trying to understand why it is happening and how it can be resolved. That’s all. Then I would have just kept it simple and said that. As part of a comparison that I can’t say directly relates at all you also brought legality and morality into it. There is none to be found. Also - hitting back harder, if that’s what you choose to do, can also be done in a more calculated, strategic way, rather than just simply firing rockets continuously into densely populated civilian areas. The former is also far more likely to be effective. As it is, this current scattergun response is going to start eroding any support garnered from the international community if it continues. And right quick Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 17 Oct 23 7.27pm

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

I am trying to say that sometimes if you are attacked you have to hit back harder to protect yourself.
I don’t like what is happening over there, nor do you, but I am trying to understand why it is happening and how it can be resolved. That’s all.

Then I would have just kept it simple and said that. As part of a comparison that I can’t say directly relates at all you also brought legality and morality into it. There is none to be found.

Also - hitting back harder, if that’s what you choose to do, can also be done in a more calculated, strategic way, rather than just simply firing rockets continuously into densely populated civilian areas. The former is also far more likely to be effective. As it is, this current scattergun response is going to start eroding any support garnered from the international community if it continues. And right quick

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 17 Oct 23 7.33pm
Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines I am trying to say that sometimes if you are attacked you have to hit back harder to protect yourself. I don’t like what is happening over there, nor do you, but I am trying to understand why it is happening and how it can be resolved. That’s all. The why isn’t complicated - Israel have made no secrets of their ambitions for decades and now they seemingly have the green light from the international community to do what they like. Bombing a hospital is never an act of protection.
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

The why isn’t complicated - Israel have made no secrets of their ambitions for decades and now they seemingly have the green light from the international community to do what they like.

Bombing a hospital is never an act of protection.

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eritheagle Online Erith 17 Oct 23 7.39pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 C4 News Israel has struck a hospital in Gaza, hundreds dead. It always seems to be hospitals that are hit first when the terrorists are being targeted! It’ll be a school next!
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Erith 17 Oct 23 7.39pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

C4 News Israel has struck a hospital in Gaza, hundreds dead.

It always seems to be hospitals that are hit first when the terrorists are being targeted!
It’ll be a school next!

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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 17 Oct 23 7.44pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Then I would have just kept it simple and said that. As part of a comparison that I can’t say directly relates at all you also brought legality and morality into it. There is none to be found. Also - hitting back harder, if that’s what you choose to do, can also be done in a more calculated, strategic way, rather than just simply firing rockets continuously into densely populated civilian areas. The former is also far more likely to be effective. As it is, this current scattergun response is going to start eroding any support garnered from the international community if it continues. And right quick People mention about doing something different to what Israel is doing but nobody is giving details of what the alternative route would be. I brought legality into the street fight scenario as, as soon as you hit the two blokes who didn’t hit you, you are probably crossing a legal line. But you would consider it a necessary action. You have done wrong but you think you have done the right thing for you. Hamas thought they were doing the right thing for them, Israel think they are doing the right thing for Israel. Both are wrong to you and me but the people in the middle of the action are each doing the best for their side of the argument. (It has been reported that Hamas will release the hostages if Israel stops the bombing. If true, I’ll leave it to you whether you consider that a positive result of Israel’s actions) hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Then I would have just kept it simple and said that. As part of a comparison that I can’t say directly relates at all you also brought legality and morality into it. There is none to be found.

People mention about doing something different to what Israel is doing but nobody is giving details of what the alternative route would be.
I brought legality into the street fight scenario as, as soon as you hit the two blokes who didn’t hit you, you are probably crossing a legal line. But you would consider it a necessary action. You have done wrong but you think you have done the right thing for you. Hamas thought they were doing the right thing for them, Israel think they are doing the right thing for Israel. Both are wrong to you and me but the people in the middle of the action are each doing the best for their side of the argument.
(It has been reported that Hamas will release the hostages if Israel stops the bombing. If true, I’ll leave it to you whether you consider that a positive result of Israel’s actions)

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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cryrst The garden of England 17 Oct 23 7.48pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow The why isn’t complicated - Israel have made no secrets of their ambitions for decades and now they seemingly have the green light from the international community to do what they like. Bombing a hospital is never an act of protection. Where’s the evidence it was bombed. Hamas store munitions in all buildings. If it came from their stash will you blame them or defend their right to stash their bombs somewhere.
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The garden of England 17 Oct 23 7.48pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The why isn’t complicated - Israel have made no secrets of their ambitions for decades and now they seemingly have the green light from the international community to do what they like.

Bombing a hospital is never an act of protection.

Where’s the evidence it was bombed. Hamas store munitions in all buildings. If it came from their stash will you blame them or defend their right to stash their bombs somewhere.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 17 Oct 23 7.52pm
Originally posted by cryrst Where’s the evidence it was bombed. Hamas store munitions in all buildings. If it came from their stash will you blame them or defend their right to stash their bombs somewhere. Where’s your evidence that Hamas store munitions in ‘all buildings’. As in, literally ALL buildings. Dropping ‘where’s the evidence’ to everything you don’t agree with is a bit of a silly game to play. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 17 Oct 23 7.52pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Where’s the evidence it was bombed. Hamas store munitions in all buildings. If it came from their stash will you blame them or defend their right to stash their bombs somewhere.

Where’s your evidence that Hamas store munitions in ‘all buildings’. As in, literally ALL buildings.

Dropping ‘where’s the evidence’ to everything you don’t agree with is a bit of a silly game to play.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 17 Oct 23 7.52pm
I don’t know if anybody else noticed but the minutes silence at Wembley, which was interrupted, began with the commentator declaring it was for the Swedish fans murdered but then apprehensively stuttering through the rest of the announcement for ‘all those killed….. in the wider European community’. Clearly wasn’t comfortable with the wording or his inclusion in such an announcement. It seems the powers that be, both political and from the media, who have spent so long existing as propaganda machines, can’t even determine the accuracy of the latest lines. For me that reflects the madness and tragedy of it all. The pretence and nonsense involving that absolute halfwit hypocrite Henderson before was painful too. Ridiculous times. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 17 Oct 23 7.52pm

I don’t know if anybody else noticed but the minutes silence at Wembley, which was interrupted, began with the commentator declaring it was for the Swedish fans murdered but then apprehensively stuttering through the rest of the announcement for ‘all those killed….. in the wider European community’. Clearly wasn’t comfortable with the wording or his inclusion in such an announcement.

It seems the powers that be, both political and from the media, who have spent so long existing as propaganda machines, can’t even determine the accuracy of the latest lines. For me that reflects the madness and tragedy of it all.

The pretence and nonsense involving that absolute halfwit hypocrite Henderson before was painful too. Ridiculous times.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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georgenorman 17 Oct 23 8.12pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Then I would have just kept it simple and said that. As part of a comparison that I can’t say directly relates at all you also brought legality and morality into it. There is none to be found. Also - hitting back harder, if that’s what you choose to do, can also be done in a more calculated, strategic way, rather than just simply firing rockets continuously into densely populated civilian areas. The former is also far more likely to be effective. As it is, this current scattergun response is going to start eroding any support garnered from the international community if it continues. And right quick Hamas last week fired thousands of rockets indiscriminately into Israel.
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17 Oct 23 8.12pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Then I would have just kept it simple and said that. As part of a comparison that I can’t say directly relates at all you also brought legality and morality into it. There is none to be found.

Also - hitting back harder, if that’s what you choose to do, can also be done in a more calculated, strategic way, rather than just simply firing rockets continuously into densely populated civilian areas. The former is also far more likely to be effective. As it is, this current scattergun response is going to start eroding any support garnered from the international community if it continues. And right quick

Hamas last week fired thousands of rockets indiscriminately into Israel.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 17 Oct 23 9.04pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Where’s your evidence that Hamas store munitions in ‘all buildings’. As in, literally ALL buildings. Dropping ‘where’s the evidence’ to everything you don’t agree with is a bit of a silly game to play. At this hour it's not clear what caused the fire and explosion. Hamas has previously posted a video of a wrapped doll claiming it was a baby etc. Propaganda is just that. Whatever caused the hospital damage it's bad. The proximate cause may well be storage of munitions. Edited by HKOwen (17 Oct 2023 9.04pm) Edited by HKOwen (18 Oct 2023 12.22am) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 17 Oct 23 9.04pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Where’s your evidence that Hamas store munitions in ‘all buildings’. As in, literally ALL buildings.

Dropping ‘where’s the evidence’ to everything you don’t agree with is a bit of a silly game to play.

At this hour it's not clear what caused the fire and explosion.

Hamas has previously posted a video of a wrapped doll claiming it was a baby etc.

Propaganda is just that.

Whatever caused the hospital damage it's bad.

The proximate cause may well be storage of munitions.

Edited by HKOwen (17 Oct 2023 9.04pm)

Edited by HKOwen (18 Oct 2023 12.22am)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 17 Oct 23 9.07pm
Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines People mention about doing something different to what Israel is doing but nobody is giving details of what the alternative route would be. I brought legality into the street fight scenario as, as soon as you hit the two blokes who didn’t hit you, you are probably crossing a legal line. But you would consider it a necessary action. You have done wrong but you think you have done the right thing for you. Hamas thought they were doing the right thing for them, Israel think they are doing the right thing for Israel. Both are wrong to you and me but the people in the middle of the action are each doing the best for their side of the argument. (It has been reported that Hamas will release the hostages if Israel stops the bombing. If true, I’ll leave it to you whether you consider that a positive result of Israel’s actions) I already did mention – taking the time to plan their response properly, and strategically, rather than a spray everything emotively driven knee-jerk response. If you're going to bomb people, better to have a plan than not. This approach also keeps the international community onside, whereas if they keep this up that support will rapidly dissipate. Again I really don't think you can compare an individual scenario to this. If your point is 'can you understand why they'd respond' then yes, I can. I'm not saying they shouldn't. What I am saying is the way they're going about it is completely wrong. The chance of Hamas releasing any hostages is, in my opinion, pretty slim. In response to your point about positives... A positive result is not always a balanced one. A single positive result does not automatically cancel out a huge negative one, simply because it is positive. See the entire history of this conflict, essentially. Releasing civilians would undoubtably be a positive, sure. Are the deaths of 1000s more civilians in order to obtain this therefore equal to the hostages release? No. It's not even clear that is Israels aim – from where I stand it's the same impulse that caused the Hamas atrocities, and pretty much every exchange between the two before that. Retaliation and Revenge on both sides caused by decades, centuries, of tension and conflict. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 17 Oct 23 9.07pm

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

I already did mention – taking the time to plan their response properly, and strategically, rather than a spray everything emotively driven knee-jerk response. If you're going to bomb people, better to have a plan than not. This approach also keeps the international community onside, whereas if they keep this up that support will rapidly dissipate.

Again I really don't think you can compare an individual scenario to this. If your point is 'can you understand why they'd respond' then yes, I can. I'm not saying they shouldn't. What I am saying is the way they're going about it is completely wrong.

The chance of Hamas releasing any hostages is, in my opinion, pretty slim.

In response to your point about positives... A positive result is not always a balanced one. A single positive result does not automatically cancel out a huge negative one, simply because it is positive. See the entire history of this conflict, essentially.

Releasing civilians would undoubtably be a positive, sure. Are the deaths of 1000s more civilians in order to obtain this therefore equal to the hostages release? No. It's not even clear that is Israels aim – from where I stand it's the same impulse that caused the Hamas atrocities, and pretty much every exchange between the two before that.

Retaliation and Revenge on both sides caused by decades, centuries, of tension and conflict.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 17 Oct 23 9.11pm
Originally posted by HKOwen At this hour it's not clear what caused the fire and explosion. Hamas has preciously posted a video of a wrapped doll claiming it was a baby etc. Propaganda is just that. Whatever caused the hospital damage it's bad. The proximate cause may well be storage of munitions. Edited by HKOwen (17 Oct 2023 9.04pm) Look up – that's the point I was making sailing over your head. Probably a bit too nuanced for some on this thread, I apologise. Read it again. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 17 Oct 23 9.11pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

At this hour it's not clear what caused the fire and explosion.

Hamas has preciously posted a video of a wrapped doll claiming it was a baby etc.

Propaganda is just that.

Whatever caused the hospital damage it's bad.

The proximate cause may well be storage of munitions.

Edited by HKOwen (17 Oct 2023 9.04pm)

Look up – that's the point I was making sailing over your head.

Probably a bit too nuanced for some on this thread, I apologise.

Read it again.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 17 Oct 23 9.17pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Hamas last week fired thousands of rockets indiscriminately into Israel. Oh really? I hadn't noticed. Thanks for that. So when they indiscriminately bomb civilians, it's bad. When Israel do it, it's good. Personally I view both acts as disgraceful. Total dross. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 17 Oct 23 9.17pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Hamas last week fired thousands of rockets indiscriminately into Israel.

Oh really? I hadn't noticed. Thanks for that.

So when they indiscriminately bomb civilians, it's bad. When Israel do it, it's good.

Personally I view both acts as disgraceful.

Total dross.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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