I feel sorry for you, nothing went wrong for you to come in your pants over.

Edited by Stuk (17 Apr 2013 6.39pm)

Optimistic as ever

Take a look at your own posts for answers.

Optimistic as ever

So does the answer lies in the government (the taxpayer) subsidising every 'failing' industry?

Should we therefore still be subsidising a massive shipbuilding industry, and steel industry? And a textile industry while we're at it? We may as well reopen, and subside tin mines in Cornwall.

And if so, why discriminate? My own industry, print, has gone south. I know shed-loads of printers who have gone bust - but there has never been a 'help the printers' campaign. So why do miners get the violins and flowers?

Its difficult to get an definative answer because when the debate involves just economics the answer is easy. Throw politics into the mix and it all turns muddy.

My 'help the printers' point is easy. Simple economics. Rather like Estate Agents when the housing bubble went south. Who cares about a bloody estate agent? Who cares about a printer? However, throw 'mining' into the mix and suddenly we're in socialist heartland, brass-bands, communities, salt-of-the-earth, Hovis and Billy Elliot territory.

And although I'm no Thatcher fan, I just don't understand the 'she decimated our industry' line. If not her, a subsequent Government (lib, lab or Con) would have gently (or not so gently) got us to where the industry is now.

When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep.
Not screaming and terrified.
Like his passengers.

Anarchism doesn't work, because there are some nasty cvnts out there. You can't rely on human nature,...so we have the police.
It all comes down to order.
That's why we have @nal people who stack magazines and CD's in chronological/alphabetical sequence. Blame them.

I still want to know the finances of the funeral and what inheritance tax was paid on Thatcher's estate

"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

You forgot the 0 next to the 1 as it was ten deep and absolutely packed......watched it myself today and also the biased BBC even said what a massive turnout it was!!! ANDTony Blair and his mates enjoyed it!!!!!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

That is essentially correct but there were undoubtedly some mines which could have been kept open, either because they had future potential or because the costs of closing them (including the social costs) outweighed the savings.

The reality which the miners and their communities refuse, to this day, to understand and accept, is that the fault lay with their own decision to elect Scargill. Without him, the closures would have been slower, more orderly and with much less suffering. However, they thought they could blackmail the government into outrageous pay increases and fell for Scargill's promises (despite the fact that it was evident he was simply using them for his own political ends).

The sudden and undignified end of our mining industry had painful consequences for workers and families, but have no doubt that is was something that the workers brought upon themselves.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)