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Zaha127 05 Mar 21 12.45pm | |
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It is something I have always wondered. How many total Crystal Palace fans do you think there are in the UK?
Croydon Population - under 400,000
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suss whyteleafe 05 Mar 21 1.15pm | |
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Can't answer your questions but does remind me of something published many years ago (over 20) that CPFC was the most local club for a 650,000 catchment, which was the largest in country at the time. Not sure if advent of Crawley will have skewed that significantly but we should still be close to top if not top of the table for most opportunity. If a rule were to be enforced fans could only support their most local side I imagine we'd sell out every match several times over. Be interesting to know what it would do to catchment for other London clubs in close proximity.
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ex hibitionist Hastings 05 Mar 21 1.30pm | |
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great question - and it taps into the theme I'm always banging on about - I hope we haven't lost the dream of being a big (or biggish, or just bigger) club, bcos we used to have a handful of 40+k crowds every season in the top flight pre 1981 (when the capacity was reduced from 51 k to 30k and crowds subsequently dropped by 10k a week - our poor form had something to do with that, but Sainsbury's replacing the Whitehorse Lane end and the away fans sectioned off in the Holmesdale was the main culprit). There were 50,000 diehards at Wembley a few years back, but realistically I would like to see a 40k stadium and we'd get 30-35k per week (like Brighton, Leic, Saints and Wolves) no probs, and a few sell outs like the old days.
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rollercoaster Cornwall 05 Mar 21 1.44pm | |
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We may have a big catchment area but we have some very glamorous clubs nearby to steal people away ---- Brighton, Charlton, Millwall, Dartford, Dagenham roll off the tongue. I loved the days of standing in 40k crowds. Nowhere near as good now.
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Putitout Oxford 05 Mar 21 1.57pm | |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
great question - and it taps into the theme I'm always banging on about - I hope we haven't lost the dream of being a big (or biggish, or just bigger) club, bcos we used to have a handful of 40+k crowds every season in the top flight pre 1981 (when the capacity was reduced from 51 k to 30k and crowds subsequently dropped by 10k a week - our poor form had something to do with that, but Sainsbury's replacing the Whitehorse Lane end and the away fans sectioned off in the Holmesdale was the main culprit). There were 50,000 diehards at Wembley a few years back, but realistically I would like to see a 40k stadium and we'd get 30-35k per week (like Brighton, Leic, Saints and Wolves) no probs, and a few sell outs like the old days.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 05 Mar 21 2.23pm | |
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The demographic of our catchment area has changed dramatically. I lived in Bromley in the 70s and used to go to the local butchers, the greengrocer, the newsagent, the tobacconist, used to know them all by name. At my school all the kids were English. Most supported Palace and were local to the area.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 05 Mar 21 2.28pm | |
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One thing I noticed the other week was CPFC had something like 1M followers on Twitter, yet Celtic FC only had a fraction over 700,000.
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TheBigToePunt 05 Mar 21 2.50pm | |
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I think you'd need to split supporters up into groups: 1. Will go to watch regularly in the Championship: 15,000? 2. Will go to watch regularly in the premier league: 25,000? 3. Will turn up for a cup final, play off final, etc: 50,000? 4. Watches on TV but never goes: ???? 5. Used to go but now doesn't: ???? And the great unknown... 6. Would turn up to watch premier league football if Selhurst could accommodate more people: ???? I presume the club feel demand exists or they wouldn't be trying to build the new stand, but when does that demand run dry? Would we fill a 40,000 capacity Selhurst if we had an average premier league team? Possibly, though perhaps the idea would be (and hopefully is) that a larger ground results in more money to invest in the team, which equals more demand for tickets to watch them. Personally I reckon the 'catchment area' figure is a red herring, as there may well be a lot of people living close to the ground, but how many of them have the inclination or the money to go and support Palace? The most densely populated areas tend to be the poorest, and I'm not sure there is much of a culture of going to watch live football in the local community, partly because its so expensive, and partly because the community is very diverse now, not like the 1970s when the vast majority were culturally inclined to go to football. Even when it was £10 to stand on the Holmesdale and we had a good team in the early 90s, there weren't exactly queues around the block. A big chunk of most London clubs active support base is made up of ex-pats like me: Born and brought up near the ground, taken along by Dad in the days when it was affordable, have since moved away and done OK enough to afford tickets and like to travel back. It's the same at West Ham, Tottenham etc. There's every chance that the next generation of Palace fans are kids like my boy, born and raised in leafy Surrey with no personal connection to the area around Selhurst other than through me.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 05 Mar 21 3.14pm | |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
great question - and it taps into the theme I'm always banging on about - I hope we haven't lost the dream of being a big (or biggish, or just bigger) club, bcos we used to have a handful of 40+k crowds every season in the top flight pre 1981 (when the capacity was reduced from 51 k to 30k and crowds subsequently dropped by 10k a week - our poor form had something to do with that, but Sainsbury's replacing the Whitehorse Lane end and the away fans sectioned off in the Holmesdale was the main culprit). There were 50,000 diehards at Wembley a few years back, but realistically I would like to see a 40k stadium and we'd get 30-35k per week (like Brighton, Leic, Saints and Wolves) no probs, and a few sell outs like the old days.
First you say there were 50k diehards at Wembley A few years back. Secondly, I don’t get why by we would get 30-35k every week by building a 40k stadium when we often don’t fill Selhurst which holds 26k Just my opinion
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Putitout Oxford 05 Mar 21 3.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
First you say there were 50k diehards at Wembley A few years back. Secondly, I don’t get why by we would get 30-35k every week by building a 40k stadium when we often don’t fill Selhurst which holds 26k Just my opinion
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Eaglecoops CR3 05 Mar 21 3.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
First you say there were 50k diehards at Wembley A few years back. Secondly, I don’t get why by we would get 30-35k every week by building a 40k stadium when we often don’t fill Selhurst which holds 26k Just my opinion No problem with that opinion Tom, I just see it a bit differently. I know this is taking it to extremes but when you get a match day experience like Wembley, Twickenham or Spurs where you can get a drink, get some decent grub and sit in a seat that isn’t half the size it should be or have a steel girder blocking part of your view, then the attraction of a sporting venue goes up massively. You also need to price it correctly for families so that a whole family can go out for the day and ideally still get a bit of change out of £100. IMO if we had a new out of town ground with decent facilities including parking and a train station nearby people would flock there. I admit there is a certain nostalgia walking the back streets around Selhurst to get to the ground and it does add to the old school feel of going to football, but that is where the match day experience ends for me at SP, unless I fork out big style for some corporate entertainment and believe me, that doesn’t come cheap. The reason I think we could easily fill a 40,000 stadium is because we have a very large catchment area and there are plenty of potential Palace converts out there. Football should be an enjoyable day out, not a struggle to get there, a struggle to get food and drink and an even worse struggle to get home. My dream of a Brighton style town fringe stadium will probably never come true, so I hope our next best thing of a new stand at SP actually comes to fruition in my lifetime. I do feel for the regulars in the Arthur though, it can’t be great in there (never had that experience) and that ain’t likely to change for a long long time.
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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 05 Mar 21 4.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
I'm sure we could easily fill a 40k capacity stadium on a regular basis all the while we're a Prem club playing exciting football. Bloody Sainsbury's. I think our International appeal, and apparently it's huge, has a lot to do with the club's name. Crystal Palace has a kind of glamorous ring to it that say Leeds, doesn't have to folk on the other side of the world. The name attracts attention. There's a Crystal Palace hotel in Tombstone Arizona. Not a lot of people know that.
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