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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 06 Feb 20 11.55am
[Link] This is a pretty good assessment of our current state. I can't see that there is a longterm vision for our football. Trying to get Roy to stay on for another year simply delays having to deal with a lack of direction. I don't think we're relegation fodder but will be soon if we don't have some sort of first team strategy.
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This is a pretty good assessment of our current state. I can't see that there is a longterm vision for our football. Trying to get Roy to stay on for another year simply delays having to deal with a lack of direction. I don't think we're relegation fodder but will be soon if we don't have some sort of first team strategy.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 06 Feb 20 12.33pm
Originally posted by Frickin Saweet [Link] This is a pretty good assessment of our current state. I can't see that there is a longterm vision for our football. Trying to get Roy to stay on for another year simply delays having to deal with a lack of direction. I don't think we're relegation fodder but will be soon if we don't have some sort of first team strategy. Thanks FS. Don't disagree with that. We are heading for (or even in) the proverbial. Interesting that RH is currently second favourite to be the next prem manager to leave/lose his job.
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Thanks FS. Don't disagree with that. We are heading for (or even in) the proverbial. Interesting that RH is currently second favourite to be the next prem manager to leave/lose his job.

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Midlands Eagle 06 Feb 20 12.52pm
Interesting article. I assume that Parish will have read it and it's a shame that he's unlikely to respond
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Interesting article. I assume that Parish will have read it and it's a shame that he's unlikely to respond

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bexleydave Barnehurst 06 Feb 20 1.01pm
Yeah, that article sums up where we are, and how we got here, perfectly. We're going to hell in a handcart and Parish is steering it. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 06 Feb 20 1.01pm

Yeah, that article sums up where we are, and how we got here, perfectly. We're going to hell in a handcart and Parish is steering it.

Bexley Dave

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PatrickA London 06 Feb 20 1.01pm
Difficult to disagree with much in this article. I think Parish understands the long term issues and a couple of years ago identified 2 courses of action, 1) the building of the new stand with increased capacity and revenues 2) Achievement of Category A status and the ability to attract a quality of young player to progress to the first team. However, for whatever reason at the moment the club appears rudderless and to put it kindly are treading water - or are going backwards if one wants to be critical. Inevitably this leads to speculation. So far I’ve heard, ‘Hodgson is unhappy not getting more players in the transfer window’ ‘The club identified players but Hodgson turned them down’ ‘Hodgson does/ does not want to stay (take your pick)’ ‘The owners agreed/disagreed with the budget for the window (again take your pick)’. There is little communication from the club and Parish is as quiet as he has been during his whole tenure. I’ve little doubt he is a fan and is seeking to act in the club’s best interests but it is difficult to see a way forward at present.
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Difficult to disagree with much in this article.
I think Parish understands the long term issues and a couple of years ago identified 2 courses of action,
1) the building of the new stand with increased capacity and revenues
2) Achievement of Category A status and the ability to attract a quality of young player to progress to the first team.
However, for whatever reason at the moment the club appears rudderless and to put it kindly are treading water - or are going backwards if one wants to be critical.
Inevitably this leads to speculation.
So far I’ve heard,
‘Hodgson is unhappy not getting more players in the transfer window’
‘The club identified players but Hodgson turned them down’
‘Hodgson does/ does not want to stay (take your pick)’
‘The owners agreed/disagreed with the budget for the window (again take your pick)’.
There is little communication from the club and Parish is as quiet as he has been during his whole tenure.
I’ve little doubt he is a fan and is seeking to act in the club’s best interests but it is difficult to see a way forward at present.

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KAOS In a tree 06 Feb 20 1.07pm
Good accurate assessment. We have run to a standstill due to deploying 'now' outdated workarounds, patches & fixes. You can only stick plasters on a gaping wound for so long ... Something has to change, but what? It'll be Roy walking in the first instance whether we stay or or go down. We can't buy a win or a goal ... and with this bunch of players and Roy's exhausted system, I'm starting to think we could be the club that no one expected to go down ...
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In a tree 06 Feb 20 1.07pm

Good accurate assessment. We have run to a standstill due to deploying 'now' outdated workarounds, patches & fixes. You can only stick plasters on a gaping wound for so long ...

Something has to change, but what? It'll be Roy walking in the first instance whether we stay or or go down. We can't buy a win or a goal ... and with this bunch of players and Roy's exhausted system, I'm starting to think we could be the club that no one expected to go down ...

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Bangell Oxford 06 Feb 20 1.44pm
Just came on here to post that article myself. Completely correct.
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Oxford 06 Feb 20 1.44pm

Just came on here to post that article myself. Completely correct.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 06 Feb 20 1.50pm
The piece nicely articulated how I feel. Parish is making it up as he goes along, no coherent plan apart from chancing that Roy’s effective but ultimately dull football keeps Palace in the Premier League. If I was Hodgson , if we stay up then I would turn down the contract extension because how much confidence can you have in Parish’s promise of meaningful transfer funds ? Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 06 Feb 20 1.50pm

The piece nicely articulated how I feel. Parish is making it up as he goes along, no coherent plan apart from chancing that Roy’s effective but ultimately dull football keeps Palace in the Premier League.

If I was Hodgson , if we stay up then I would turn down the contract extension because how much confidence can you have in Parish’s promise of meaningful transfer funds ?

Old, Ungifted and White

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Midlands Eagle 06 Feb 20 2.04pm
Originally posted by NEILLO If I was Hodgson , if we stay up then I would turn down the contract extension because how much confidence can you have in Parish’s promise of meaningful transfer funds ? He could always ask for a contract extension until the end of the transfer deadline day so that he could walk away if our transfer business was up to recent standards
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06 Feb 20 2.04pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

If I was Hodgson , if we stay up then I would turn down the contract extension because how much confidence can you have in Parish’s promise of meaningful transfer funds ?

He could always ask for a contract extension until the end of the transfer deadline day so that he could walk away if our transfer business was up to recent standards

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CrazyBadger Ware 06 Feb 20 2.06pm
I agree with nearly all of that. very insightful for the most part. Although I put more blame on the owners not backing our managers for the 'merry-go-round' of which they make reference. All managers(bar Warnock) stretching back to Holloway have left under rumours of not being backed in the transfer window. Even with Pulis I thought there was this rumour flying about. Allardyce was backed in January to fix glaring holes in our squad, but was never promised the funds in the summer, DeBoer said that they didn't buy the players he wanted and we all know what is happening with Hodgson. Couple that with the mismanagement of players contracts (i.e. Benteke) and the problems lay squarely at the owners feet. Whereas the American owners situation is not helping they cannot take all of this blame as this was happening long before they came onto the scene. They are fully justified in not wanting to fund this continuing mismanagement. I've said it before, but SPs Fear of another administration has led to bad decisions (see Contract offers). He's been burnt when spending money, and each time it hampers him more. he's looking after pennies, instead of making Pounds. Edited by CrazyBadger (06 Feb 2020 2.07pm) "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 06 Feb 20 2.06pm

I agree with nearly all of that. very insightful for the most part.

Although I put more blame on the owners not backing our managers for the 'merry-go-round' of which they make reference.

All managers(bar Warnock) stretching back to Holloway have left under rumours of not being backed in the transfer window. Even with Pulis I thought there was this rumour flying about. Allardyce was backed in January to fix glaring holes in our squad, but was never promised the funds in the summer, DeBoer said that they didn't buy the players he wanted and we all know what is happening with Hodgson.

Couple that with the mismanagement of players contracts (i.e. Benteke) and the problems lay squarely at the owners feet. Whereas the American owners situation is not helping they cannot take all of this blame as this was happening long before they came onto the scene. They are fully justified in not wanting to fund this continuing mismanagement.

I've said it before, but SPs Fear of another administration has led to bad decisions (see Contract offers). He's been burnt when spending money, and each time it hampers him more. he's looking after pennies, instead of making Pounds.

Edited by CrazyBadger (06 Feb 2020 2.07pm)

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Feb 20 2.45pm
Parish isn’t equipped to make football based decisions, plus he surrounds himself with acquiescent people (yes men). Eventually that’ll catch up with him. There were attempts in January to buy from lower down the pyramid than we have been doing but they didn’t happen. If they don’t in the summer then we’re screwed. It’s as simple as that. I won’t even feel satisfied if we sign 3 very experienced top notch Prem players in their twilight years because it’s just delaying the inevitable, which is no doubt as part strategy of Parish’s while hoping a buyer comes in. The article spells out we’re here by spending big and not much else and I’ve been saying for a long time that it’ll end in a bad way if we don’t implement any plans managed by football people with experience in these situations. COYP
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Caterham 06 Feb 20 2.45pm

Parish isn’t equipped to make football based decisions, plus he surrounds himself with acquiescent people (yes men). Eventually that’ll catch up with him.

There were attempts in January to buy from lower down the pyramid than we have been doing but they didn’t happen. If they don’t in the summer then we’re screwed. It’s as simple as that. I won’t even feel satisfied if we sign 3 very experienced top notch Prem players in their twilight years because it’s just delaying the inevitable, which is no doubt as part strategy of Parish’s while hoping a buyer comes in.

The article spells out we’re here by spending big and not much else and I’ve been saying for a long time that it’ll end in a bad way if we don’t implement any plans managed by football people with experience in these situations.

COYP

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bexleydave Barnehurst 06 Feb 20 3.24pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Parish isn’t equipped to make football based decisions, plus he surrounds himself with acquiescent people (yes men). Eventually that’ll catch up with him. There were attempts in January to buy from lower down the pyramid than we have been doing but they didn’t happen. If they don’t in the summer then we’re screwed. It’s as simple as that. I won’t even feel satisfied if we sign 3 very experienced top notch Prem players in their twilight years because it’s just delaying the inevitable, which is no doubt as part strategy of Parish’s while hoping a buyer comes in. The article spells out we’re here by spending big and not much else and I’ve been saying for a long time that it’ll end in a bad way if we don’t implement any plans managed by football people with experience in these situations. I agree; it's emperor's new clothes with Parish and a CEO who runs a business like that is inevitably destined to fail. The best managers employ the best people they can afford for their roles and take into account their contributions. Only those with oversized egos surround themselves with nodding dogs. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 06 Feb 20 3.24pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Parish isn’t equipped to make football based decisions, plus he surrounds himself with acquiescent people (yes men). Eventually that’ll catch up with him.

I agree; it's emperor's new clothes with Parish and a CEO who runs a business like that is inevitably destined to fail. The best managers employ the best people they can afford for their roles and take into account their contributions. Only those with oversized egos surround themselves with nodding dogs.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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