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Sportyteacher London 02 Jun 16 6.48pm | |
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So another major high street retail name is to officially disappear with confirmation that a buyer can't be found for BHS. I really feel for the 11,000 employees who are set to lose their jobs, combined with the 'orphaning' of the pension funds. I look forward to both Philip & Tina Green accounting for their failings and financial manoeuvring when they appear soon in front of the Commons Business Select Committee. Link: [Link] In the week that Austin Reed has announced the closure of its retail business with a further 1000 jobs lost, where do you feel that the High Street has got it wrong (besides online competition)? Who do you predict will fall next?
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Pussay Patrol 02 Jun 16 7.37pm | |
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Green asset stripped it, came in and funneled all the cash offshore then sold the worthless company to a bankrupt There should be more stringent rules on company ownership which make people like green more personally responsible, after all he's still got his billions and a knighthood whereas 1000s are jobless and the taxpayer has to pickup the tab for their pensions
Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah |
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Stuk Top half 02 Jun 16 8.06pm | |
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Company pension schemes should have to be ring fenced. Why does the taxpayer have to pick up the bill for the company spending those funds? Online shopping has killed the high street. You go on a UK website and the next thing you know you've been billed in the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Hong Kong etc.
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chris123 hove actually 02 Jun 16 8.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Company pension schemes should have to be ring fenced. Why does the taxpayer have to pick up the bill for the company spending those funds? Online shopping has killed the high street. You go on a UK website and the next thing you know you've been billed in the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Hong Kong etc. They are ring fenced.
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matt_himself Matataland 02 Jun 16 9.40pm | |
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There is another matter here - when was the last time you bought anything, or even went into, a BHS store? I went last year as the missus wanted a tagine and it looked shabby, outdated and didn't stock anything that seemed desirable. It was the same with Woolworths and HMV and Allders. Times have changed and retail has changed. Those who don't go under. Blunt but fair.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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Mapletree Croydon 02 Jun 16 9.51pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
There is another matter here - when was the last time you bought anything, or even went into, a BHS store? I went last year as the missus wanted a tagine and it looked shabby, outdated and didn't stock anything that seemed desirable. It was the same with Woolworths and HMV and Allders. Times have changed and retail has changed. Those who don't go under. Blunt but fair. Don't think that changes anything Matt. Green bought it as a basket case, ran it into further into the ground whilst stripping out all the value then got rid of it so he wouldn't get stuck with any of the liabilities. He will have known it was likely to go down and the effect that would have on suppliers and employees. The man is completely free of morals or empathy. Better to let it fail earlier when there was still some value to give back to the creditors and some chance of rescuing aspects of the business.
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Stuk Top half 03 Jun 16 12.20am | |
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Originally posted by chris123
They are ring fenced. Then why is this needing to be bailed out by the PPF?
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matt_himself Matataland 03 Jun 16 5.49am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Don't think that changes anything Matt. Green bought it as a basket case, ran it into further into the ground whilst stripping out all the value then got rid of it so he wouldn't get stuck with any of the liabilities. He will have known it was likely to go down and the effect that would have on suppliers and employees. The man is completely free of morals or empathy. Better to let it fail earlier when there was still some value to give back to the creditors and some chance of rescuing aspects of the business. I don't disagree that Green appears to have done a proper job on BHS but I doubt he would have done it if it had been thriving.
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chris123 hove actually 03 Jun 16 8.02am | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Then why is this needing to be bailed out by the PPF? Ring fences protect pension funds from being raided by the parent company if the parent runs into trouble. The BHS scheme is underfunded and unable to pay out its liabilities. I am surprised the trustees agreed to the sale without a significant contribution to reduce the under funding.
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kev64 Cambs 03 Jun 16 8.16am | |
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This is why BHS went down the drain, stripped of equity by its shareholders ie Mr Green.
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kev64 Cambs 03 Jun 16 8.23am | |
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This is how our screwed up system works, lunatics have taken over the asylum ..
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Stuk Top half 03 Jun 16 3.16pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
Ring fences protect pension funds from being raided by the parent company if the parent runs into trouble. The BHS scheme is underfunded and unable to pay out its liabilities. I am surprised the trustees agreed to the sale without a significant contribution to reduce the under funding. If it's underfunded then it's not really ring fenced.
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