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johnfirewall 23 Jan 16 10.16am | |
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Can everyone who's ever been refused a job on that basis sue then? I had a mate near Gatwick who'd been done for nicking a chocolate bar and no one in the airport would touch him as being a sensitive location they all conducted checks. A lawyer just explained that this was only justified in a financial role in a company and not for example working on a checkout but I had another mate refused a job he'd been offered at a bank as he'd missed a couple of credit card payments. Surely they're 'arbitrary' by nature when it's a teaching assistant job the judge is talking about where absolutely everyone in the school will be checked.
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SwalecliffeEagle Swalecliffe 23 Jan 16 1.13pm | |
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Let me tell you, this is so good to read. As someone who has long held a one-off simple caution for an apparently 'violent' crime (it was, at best, a bitch slap) I cannot express just how much it hangs over you when you look for work. Basic disclosures don't reveal old offences but as I understand it enhanced disclosures (working with children, vulnerable people etc.) reveal minor misdemeanors no matter how long ago they were committed. It doesn't look good on paper to the employer and they'll automatically opt for another candidate on that basis...it's understandable but it's unfair and the current system definitely needs reviewing.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 23 Jan 16 1.17pm | |
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I am 50, got in (quite serious) trouble when I was a teenager Would struggle to move jobs now even if I wanted to. Makes life very difficult at times.
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nhp61 Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 23 Jan 16 4.04pm | |
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I always thought the Rehabilitation Of Offenders Act, where minor convictions are considered "spent" after a number of years, protected those with minor convictions hanging over their heads for the rest of their lives. I can understand some jobs, like working with kids, needing to know every conviction, even spent ones, but I can't see how supermarkets not employ someone with a spent conviction. Under the Act, they shouldn't even know about the spent convictions.
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coulsdoneagle London 23 Jan 16 5.00pm | |
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I think it should be up to the employer to know whether who they employ has a history of criminality. Whether they work with children or not. If I'm an employer and there are 2 guys both good candidates, equal skills, but one has assaulted someone, stolen or drunk driven then I want to take that in to consideration. Why should people be able to hide their actions on the basis that it is in the past.
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Dweeb East London 24 Jan 16 11.50am | |
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Quote coulsdoneagle at 23 Jan 2016 5.00pm
I think it should be up to the employer to know whether who they employ has a history of criminality. Whether they work with children or not. If I'm an employer and there are 2 guys both good candidates, equal skills, but one has assaulted someone, stolen or drunk driven then I want to take that in to consideration. Why should people be able to hide their actions on the basis that it is in the past.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 24 Jan 16 11.59am | |
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Quote coulsdoneagle at 23 Jan 2016 5.00pm
I think it should be up to the employer to know whether who they employ has a history of criminality. Whether they work with children or not. If I'm an employer and there are 2 guys both good candidates, equal skills, but one has assaulted someone, stolen or drunk driven then I want to take that in to consideration. Why should people be able to hide their actions on the basis that it is in the past. Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris - neither had any convictions both had access to the highest levels of power
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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jan 16 10.40am | |
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Its been an issue of contention in UK law for a long time, how long a criminal conviction for minor offences should remain on record as relevant, and the cost that this inflicts on individuals and society. Its finally come to a head, but even back in 1999 when I was working in the Court system, there was an awareness among the judiciary that this was probably unfair. Its also been an issue where people have lost their jobs, notably where jobs have increasingly demanded criminal record background checks, where they once wouldn't have. Its been used by companies to justify letting people go when new owners have come in, even when the person has no complaints. A good example: Someone I know was convicted of intent to supply when they were 18 and got six months. About six years after release they got a support job in the NHS IT. Then at 28, ten years after being release, the department was outsourced and taken over, and a requirement became passing a CRB check. There are also cases where people have been deliberately 'exploited' in terms of promotions and pay rises, because employers know they can't leave or go elsewhere, even though they've not committed an offence in over a decade. A lot of these people were just unlucky, doing things that plenty of people got away with. Its worth noting that this applies to minor offences, rather than serious offences, and particularly where it affects people who haven't been in trouble since.
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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Jan 16 11.05am | |
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Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 24 Jan 2016 11.59am
Quote coulsdoneagle at 23 Jan 2016 5.00pm
I think it should be up to the employer to know whether who they employ has a history of criminality. Whether they work with children or not. If I'm an employer and there are 2 guys both good candidates, equal skills, but one has assaulted someone, stolen or drunk driven then I want to take that in to consideration. Why should people be able to hide their actions on the basis that it is in the past. Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris - neither had any convictions both had access to the highest levels of power
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Stuk Top half 25 Jan 16 2.23pm | |
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Quote johnfirewall at 23 Jan 2016 10.16am
Can everyone who's ever been refused a job on that basis sue then? I had a mate near Gatwick who'd been done for nicking a chocolate bar and no one in the airport would touch him as being a sensitive location they all conducted checks. Surely they're 'arbitrary' by nature when it's a teaching assistant job the judge is talking about where absolutely everyone in the school will be checked.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jan 16 4.02pm | |
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Quote Stuk at 25 Jan 2016 2.23pm
Quote johnfirewall at 23 Jan 2016 10.16am
Can everyone who's ever been refused a job on that basis sue then? I had a mate near Gatwick who'd been done for nicking a chocolate bar and no one in the airport would touch him as being a sensitive location they all conducted checks. Surely they're 'arbitrary' by nature when it's a teaching assistant job the judge is talking about where absolutely everyone in the school will be checked.
This is true of many employers in general (and especially true in retail - where at least half of the stock lost is to staff members rather than shoplifters). I worked a few places where it was generally accepted that staff could 'tax' a reasonable amount of goods, provided they ensured people they knew didn't steal and they also shopped in store where possible. Remember once seeing a store manager loading up his car with what must have been several hundred pounds worth of books and merchandise (at cost to us) - Easily a grand's worth of stock - some of which he'd specifically ordered.
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Stuk Top half 25 Jan 16 4.07pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 25 Jan 2016 4.02pm
Quote Stuk at 25 Jan 2016 2.23pm
Quote johnfirewall at 23 Jan 2016 10.16am
Can everyone who's ever been refused a job on that basis sue then? I had a mate near Gatwick who'd been done for nicking a chocolate bar and no one in the airport would touch him as being a sensitive location they all conducted checks. Surely they're 'arbitrary' by nature when it's a teaching assistant job the judge is talking about where absolutely everyone in the school will be checked.
This is true of many employers in general (and especially true in retail - where at least half of the stock lost is to staff members rather than shoplifters). I worked a few places where it was generally accepted that staff could 'tax' a reasonable amount of goods, provided they ensured people they knew didn't steal and they also shopped in store where possible. Remember once seeing a store manager loading up his car with what must have been several hundred pounds worth of books and merchandise (at cost to us) - Easily a grand's worth of stock - some of which he'd specifically ordered. Which is, sort of, fair enough if they're nicking off the employer. It's their loss after all. When it's the passengers, commercial freight and insurance that's suffering the losses, and they just want to save any bad press for the employer, it's taking the piss.
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