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Hoof Hearted 09 Dec 15 10.44am

Carlisle, Lancaster and Keswick (and other minor Cumbrian towns) have been devastated by flooding from the torrential rain caused by "Storm Desmond".

It was about 10 years ago that a similar flood happened and despite preparing flood defences costing millions, it has happened again.

Firstly I find it odd that our government were quick to raise Billions for Bangla Desh and Bhutan flood disasters, but seem to be dallying about and not getting aid to our own. Some have been without basic services for days and many have no insurance because of previous flood damage rather than neglecting to take it out.

It's obvious that this recent flood is different to that of the Somerset Levels - there it was mainly a problem with poor maintenance of water channels by not dredging them and low lying areas that were basically a flood plain converted to agricultural land.

In Cumbria, the situation has been caused by rainwater running off the hills because of deforestation by farmers to allow sheep to graze there instead. This water then cascades through straightened water courses and onto towns like Carlisle where the defences can't cope and flood is inevitable. Apparently the highest level of water was 9" above the highest flood wall.... that's a huge margin.

It is impossible to build higher defences without ruining the ambience of these towns that rely on tourism for their economy.

Farmers should be forced to reinstate woodland on the hills to reduce the rainwater cascading down and water courses should be allowed to meander to reduce faster flow.

I blame rampant immigration - yes I do!

Without the pressure to build more houses and the necessary infrastructure to cope with a rapidly increasing population we wouldn't need to build on flood plains or encourage farmers to tend sheep on hill farms that were once woodlands.

Ignore the economic arguments and possible security threats from rampant immigration.... the fallout from this open door policy created by Blair and New Labour is now hitting the residents of Cumbria pretty hard.

Food for thought for those keen to stay in the EU and/or want to ship in asylum seekers/refugees from the middle east.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (09 Dec 2015 10.45am)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 09 Dec 15 10.51am

wow.

 

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Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Dec 2015 10.44am

Carlisle, Lancaster and Keswick (and other minor Cumbrian towns) have been devastated by flooding from the torrential rain caused by "Storm Desmond".

It was about 10 years ago that a similar flood happened and despite preparing flood defences costing millions, it has happened again.

Firstly I find it odd that our government were quick to raise Billions for Bangla Desh and Bhutan flood disasters, but seem to be dallying about and not getting aid to our own. Some have been without basic services for days and many have no insurance because of previous flood damage rather than neglecting to take it out.

It's obvious that this recent flood is different to that of the Somerset Levels - there it was mainly a problem with poor maintenance of water channels by not dredging them and low lying areas that were basically a flood plain converted to agricultural land.

In Cumbria, the situation has been caused by rainwater running off the hills because of deforestation by farmers to allow sheep to graze there instead. This water then cascades through straightened water courses and onto towns like Carlisle where the defences can't cope and flood is inevitable. Apparently the highest level of water was 9" above the highest flood wall.... that's a huge margin.

It is impossible to build higher defences without ruining the ambience of these towns that rely on tourism for their economy.

Farmers should be forced to reinstate woodland on the hills to reduce the rainwater cascading down and water courses should be allowed to meander to reduce faster flow.

I blame rampant immigration - yes I do!

Without the pressure to build more houses and the necessary infrastructure to cope with a rapidly increasing population we wouldn't need to build on flood plains or encourage farmers to tend sheep on hill farms that were once woodlands.

Ignore the economic arguments and possible security threats from rampant immigration.... the fallout from this open door policy created by Blair and New Labour is now hitting the residents of Cumbria pretty hard.

Food for thought for those keen to stay in the EU and/or want to ship in asylum seekers/refugees from the middle east.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (09 Dec 2015 10.45am)


I blame it on idiots living too close to rivers.

Edited by matt_himself (09 Dec 2015 11.41am)

 


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Hoof Hearted 09 Dec 15 11.41am

Quote matt_himself at 09 Dec 2015 11.39am

I am with that UKIP fella and blame the floods on Cameron's decision to oppose the scriptures and allow men to marry each other.

This is God's wrath people. Be afraid.


I forgot about that....

 

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Holmesdale Nick Flag South Croydon 09 Dec 15 11.51am Send a Private Message to Holmesdale Nick Add Holmesdale Nick as a friend

Look at Purley and Kenley in the beginning of 2014.

Lots of flooding, Purley pond at tescos, too much land is concreted and tarmaced over and rainwater has nowhere to go.

 


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Foreign sheep Coming over here! Eating our cud!

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Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Dec 2015 10.44am

Carlisle, Lancaster and Keswick (and other minor Cumbrian towns) have been devastated by flooding from the torrential rain caused by "Storm Desmond".

It was about 10 years ago that a similar flood happened and despite preparing flood defences costing millions, it has happened again.

Firstly I find it odd that our government were quick to raise Billions for Bangla Desh and Bhutan flood disasters, but seem to be dallying about and not getting aid to our own. Some have been without basic services for days and many have no insurance because of previous flood damage rather than neglecting to take it out.

It's obvious that this recent flood is different to that of the Somerset Levels - there it was mainly a problem with poor maintenance of water channels by not dredging them and low lying areas that were basically a flood plain converted to agricultural land.

In Cumbria, the situation has been caused by rainwater running off the hills because of deforestation by farmers to allow sheep to graze there instead. This water then cascades through straightened water courses and onto towns like Carlisle where the defences can't cope and flood is inevitable. Apparently the highest level of water was 9" above the highest flood wall.... that's a huge margin.

It is impossible to build higher defences without ruining the ambience of these towns that rely on tourism for their economy.

Farmers should be forced to reinstate woodland on the hills to reduce the rainwater cascading down and water courses should be allowed to meander to reduce faster flow.

I blame rampant immigration - yes I do!

Without the pressure to build more houses and the necessary infrastructure to cope with a rapidly increasing population we wouldn't need to build on flood plains or encourage farmers to tend sheep on hill farms that were once woodlands.

Ignore the economic arguments and possible security threats from rampant immigration.... the fallout from this open door policy created by Blair and New Labour is now hitting the residents of Cumbria pretty hard.

Food for thought for those keen to stay in the EU and/or want to ship in asylum seekers/refugees from the middle east.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (09 Dec 2015 10.45am)


I think you need to go for a lie down mate.

 

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Hoof Hearted 09 Dec 15 12.10pm

Quote DanH at 09 Dec 2015 12.08pm

I think you need to go for a lie down mate.


My bed's wet Dan!

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 09 Dec 15 12.55pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Dec 2015 12.10pm

Quote DanH at 09 Dec 2015 12.08pm

I think you need to go for a lie down mate.


My bed's wet Dan!


Dan forcing you to sleep in the wet patch?

 


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Quote pefwin at 09 Dec 2015 12.55pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Dec 2015 12.10pm

Quote DanH at 09 Dec 2015 12.08pm

I think you need to go for a lie down mate.


My bed's wet Dan!


Dan forcing you to sleep in the wet patch?


It's usually more sticky than wet.

 

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Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Dec 2015 10.44am

Carlisle, Lancaster and Keswick (and other minor Cumbrian towns) have been devastated by flooding from the torrential rain caused by "Storm Desmond".

It was about 10 years ago that a similar flood happened and despite preparing flood defences costing millions, it has happened again.

Firstly I find it odd that our government were quick to raise Billions for Bangla Desh and Bhutan flood disasters, but seem to be dallying about and not getting aid to our own. Some have been without basic services for days and many have no insurance because of previous flood damage rather than neglecting to take it out.

It's obvious that this recent flood is different to that of the Somerset Levels - there it was mainly a problem with poor maintenance of water channels by not dredging them and low lying areas that were basically a flood plain converted to agricultural land.

In Cumbria, the situation has been caused by rainwater running off the hills because of deforestation by farmers to allow sheep to graze there instead. This water then cascades through straightened water courses and onto towns like Carlisle where the defences can't cope and flood is inevitable. Apparently the highest level of water was 9" above the highest flood wall.... that's a huge margin.

It is impossible to build higher defences without ruining the ambience of these towns that rely on tourism for their economy.

Farmers should be forced to reinstate woodland on the hills to reduce the rainwater cascading down and water courses should be allowed to meander to reduce faster flow.

I blame rampant immigration - yes I do!

Without the pressure to build more houses and the necessary infrastructure to cope with a rapidly increasing population we wouldn't need to build on flood plains or encourage farmers to tend sheep on hill farms that were once woodlands.

Ignore the economic arguments and possible security threats from rampant immigration.... the fallout from this open door policy created by Blair and New Labour is now hitting the residents of Cumbria pretty hard.

Food for thought for those keen to stay in the EU and/or want to ship in asylum seekers/refugees from the middle east.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (09 Dec 2015 10.45am)

I think Hoof's got a point though.

Virtually every one of these storms arrives from overseas.

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Quote mezzer at 09 Dec 2015 2.38pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Dec 2015 10.44am

Carlisle, Lancaster and Keswick (and other minor Cumbrian towns) have been devastated by flooding from the torrential rain caused by "Storm Desmond".

It was about 10 years ago that a similar flood happened and despite preparing flood defences costing millions, it has happened again.

Firstly I find it odd that our government were quick to raise Billions for Bangla Desh and Bhutan flood disasters, but seem to be dallying about and not getting aid to our own. Some have been without basic services for days and many have no insurance because of previous flood damage rather than neglecting to take it out.

It's obvious that this recent flood is different to that of the Somerset Levels - there it was mainly a problem with poor maintenance of water channels by not dredging them and low lying areas that were basically a flood plain converted to agricultural land.

In Cumbria, the situation has been caused by rainwater running off the hills because of deforestation by farmers to allow sheep to graze there instead. This water then cascades through straightened water courses and onto towns like Carlisle where the defences can't cope and flood is inevitable. Apparently the highest level of water was 9" above the highest flood wall.... that's a huge margin.

It is impossible to build higher defences without ruining the ambience of these towns that rely on tourism for their economy.

Farmers should be forced to reinstate woodland on the hills to reduce the rainwater cascading down and water courses should be allowed to meander to reduce faster flow.

I blame rampant immigration - yes I do!

Without the pressure to build more houses and the necessary infrastructure to cope with a rapidly increasing population we wouldn't need to build on flood plains or encourage farmers to tend sheep on hill farms that were once woodlands.

Ignore the economic arguments and possible security threats from rampant immigration.... the fallout from this open door policy created by Blair and New Labour is now hitting the residents of Cumbria pretty hard.

Food for thought for those keen to stay in the EU and/or want to ship in asylum seekers/refugees from the middle east.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (09 Dec 2015 10.45am)

I think Hoof's got a point though.

Virtually every one of these storms arrives from overseas.



As for a solution, create more waterways..........or move. Blaming any particular party seems harsh because it happens to have rained more than usual.

 


Time to move forward together.

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