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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 Nov 15 12.20pm

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Austerity isn't working.

 

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The Sash Flag Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 20 Nov 15 12.24pm Send a Private Message to The Sash Add The Sash as a friend

In the interests of balance can somebody please post a Telegraph, or similar right wing newspaper, article claiming it is and then the usual suspects can quickly get into a dogmatic argument based purely on partisan political leanings rather than common sense and get it all out of the way

 


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Quote The Sash at 20 Nov 2015 12.24pm

In the interests of balance can somebody please post a Telegraph, or similar right wing newspaper, article claiming it is and then the usual suspects can quickly get into a dogmatic argument based purely on partisan political leanings rather than common sense and get it all out of the way

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Pawson Palace Flag Croydon 20 Nov 15 1.37pm Send a Private Message to Pawson Palace Add Pawson Palace as a friend

Popcorn at the ready.

Proceed chaps.

 


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Helmet46 Flag Croydon 20 Nov 15 1.47pm Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

Just warming the slippers so I can enjoy the absolute tosh both sides are going to spout.

Let the bollox begin.........................


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Nov 15 10.47am

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George Osborne 'We're bringing the years of irresponsible borrowing to an end' 2010

Really?

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Hoof Hearted 21 Nov 15 10.54am

I'm too busy "thumbing through" my new Ola Jordan 2016 Calendar.........

So for that reason I'm Out!

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 21 Nov 15 11.16am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 21 Nov 2015 10.47am

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George Osborne 'We're bringing the years of irresponsible borrowing to an end' 2010

Really?


It's called a debt spiral, Nick. More (new) bonds sold to investors to pay off the debt owed to (old) bond holders in the next 10 years, and again and again every 3 months.

I believe a few things.

1. The debt went past the point of comfortable. If any economic crises occurred after 2008 and the main ones we'd have been really screwed.

2. There wasn't the global demand to meet Ed Balls' Keynesian suggestions. Eventually the economic multiplier effect would've run out with the type of economy we had.

3. I don't blame Labour for the crises, credit crunch etc. (I blame the people ignoring the World Bank warnings interrupting the halcyon days)

Labour didn't overspend if there wasn't ever a recession on the way, but there always is. So I do blame them for the rising debt. Economic life cycles have been going on for centuries but Gordon Brown thought he had the cure. Made himself look a right t1t. Ed Balls had no chance.

4 I don't necessarily think Cameron or Osbourne or any of the others will satisfy enough of what is needed or possible once the budget deficit is in surplus.

If Labour find a credible leader and a solution to the SNP problem, you might get your wish, Nick, albeit with a coalition with about 20 Lib Dem MP's. However, they'll struggle and probably fail to solve all of those past 2020 and those without a decent job AND a mortgage agreement will stay frustrated.

T Bliar is a selfish and self serving c*** and GB is a stubborn fool and there's no Tory to do more than the basic of disciplined austerity. That's required for a few years more but lots to do after that.

The working tax credits punishment for having a job that pays sh1t wages when someone else will be punished if you find a better job I am opposed to.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Nov 15 11.23am

Quote Rudi Hedman at 21 Nov 2015 11.16am

Quote nickgusset at 21 Nov 2015 10.47am

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George Osborne 'We're bringing the years of irresponsible borrowing to an end' 2010

Really?


It's called a debt spiral, Nick. More (new) bonds sold to investors to pay off the debt owed to (old) bond holders in the next 10 years, and again and again every 3 months.

I believe a few things.

1. The debt went past the point of comfortable. If any economic crises occurred after 2008 and the main ones we'd have been really screwed.

2. There wasn't the global demand to meet Ed Balls' Keynesian suggestions. Eventually the economic multiplier effect would've run out with the type of economy we had.

3. I don't blame Labour for the crises, credit crunch etc. (I blame the people ignoring the World Bank warnings interrupting the halcyon days)

Labour didn't overspend if there wasn't ever a recession on the way, but there always is. So I do blame them for the rising debt. Economic life cycles have been going on for centuries but Gordon Brown thought he had the cure. Made himself look a right t1t. Ed Balls had no chance.

4 I don't necessarily think Cameron or Osbourne or any of the others will satisfy enough of what is needed or possible once the budget deficit is in surplus.

If Labour find a credible leader and a solution to the SNP problem, you might get your wish, Nick, albeit with a coalition with about 20 Lib Dem MP's. However, they'll struggle and probably fail to solve all of those past 2020 and those without a decent job AND a mortgage agreement will stay frustrated.

T Bliar is a selfish and self serving c*** and GB is a stubborn fool and there's no Tory to do more than the basic of disciplined austerity. That's required for a few years more but lots to do after that.

The working tax credits punishment for having a job that pays sh1t wages when someone else will be punished if you find a better job I am opposed to.


Interesting.

What I've found strange, ever so slightly off topic, is why people are listening to the same economic 'experts' that didn't foresee the crash.
The fact they didn't see the crash coming hardly makes them experts does it?

 

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Quote nickgusset at 21 Nov 2015 11.23am

Quote Rudi Hedman at 21 Nov 2015 11.16am

Quote nickgusset at 21 Nov 2015 10.47am

[Link]

George Osborne 'We're bringing the years of irresponsible borrowing to an end' 2010

Really?


It's called a debt spiral, Nick. More (new) bonds sold to investors to pay off the debt owed to (old) bond holders in the next 10 years, and again and again every 3 months.

I believe a few things.

1. The debt went past the point of comfortable. If any economic crises occurred after 2008 and the main ones we'd have been really screwed.

2. There wasn't the global demand to meet Ed Balls' Keynesian suggestions. Eventually the economic multiplier effect would've run out with the type of economy we had.

3. I don't blame Labour for the crises, credit crunch etc. (I blame the people ignoring the World Bank warnings interrupting the halcyon days)

Labour didn't overspend if there wasn't ever a recession on the way, but there always is. So I do blame them for the rising debt. Economic life cycles have been going on for centuries but Gordon Brown thought he had the cure. Made himself look a right t1t. Ed Balls had no chance.

4 I don't necessarily think Cameron or Osbourne or any of the others will satisfy enough of what is needed or possible once the budget deficit is in surplus.

If Labour find a credible leader and a solution to the SNP problem, you might get your wish, Nick, albeit with a coalition with about 20 Lib Dem MP's. However, they'll struggle and probably fail to solve all of those past 2020 and those without a decent job AND a mortgage agreement will stay frustrated.

T Bliar is a selfish and self serving c*** and GB is a stubborn fool and there's no Tory to do more than the basic of disciplined austerity. That's required for a few years more but lots to do after that.

The working tax credits punishment for having a job that pays sh1t wages when someone else will be punished if you find a better job I am opposed to.


Interesting.

What I've found strange, ever so slightly off topic, is why people are listening to the same economic 'experts' that didn't foresee the crash.
The fact they didn't see the crash coming hardly makes them experts does it?


And having nothing in reserve as PM & Chancellor to deal with unexpected crises makes you naive and irresponsible.

There was a guy from the world bank who made a presentation in 2005 re: the rise in available credit. He was criticised by advisors in the white house. The Chancellor, Gordon Brown, claimed he'd broken the economic cycle and we were safe from any recession, ever. That in my book makes him a fool. Ed Balls is naive working from a text book and Cameron & Osbourne are lucky to be in the right place at the right time.

 


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Quote nickgusset at 21 Nov 2015 11.23am

Quote Rudi Hedman at 21 Nov 2015 11.16am

Quote nickgusset at 21 Nov 2015 10.47am

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George Osborne 'We're bringing the years of irresponsible borrowing to an end' 2010

Really?


It's called a debt spiral, Nick. More (new) bonds sold to investors to pay off the debt owed to (old) bond holders in the next 10 years, and again and again every 3 months.

I believe a few things.

1. The debt went past the point of comfortable. If any economic crises occurred after 2008 and the main ones we'd have been really screwed.

2. There wasn't the global demand to meet Ed Balls' Keynesian suggestions. Eventually the economic multiplier effect would've run out with the type of economy we had.

3. I don't blame Labour for the crises, credit crunch etc. (I blame the people ignoring the World Bank warnings interrupting the halcyon days)

Labour didn't overspend if there wasn't ever a recession on the way, but there always is. So I do blame them for the rising debt. Economic life cycles have been going on for centuries but Gordon Brown thought he had the cure. Made himself look a right t1t. Ed Balls had no chance.

4 I don't necessarily think Cameron or Osbourne or any of the others will satisfy enough of what is needed or possible once the budget deficit is in surplus.

If Labour find a credible leader and a solution to the SNP problem, you might get your wish, Nick, albeit with a coalition with about 20 Lib Dem MP's. However, they'll struggle and probably fail to solve all of those past 2020 and those without a decent job AND a mortgage agreement will stay frustrated.

T Bliar is a selfish and self serving c*** and GB is a stubborn fool and there's no Tory to do more than the basic of disciplined austerity. That's required for a few years more but lots to do after that.

The working tax credits punishment for having a job that pays sh1t wages when someone else will be punished if you find a better job I am opposed to.


Interesting.

What I've found strange, ever so slightly off topic, is why people are listening to the same economic 'experts' that didn't foresee the crash.
The fact they didn't see the crash coming hardly makes them experts does it?

Firstly, many 'crashes' are manipulated and not at all sporadic events. The general pattern being print/create a ton of money and lend it to anyone who wants it regardless of whether they can afford it.........then pull the plug.
The last crash saw many decent borrowers suddenly finding themselves up to their necks in it due to the banks changing the rules...............because they can.
Through boom or bust, the banks never lose. They make in the good times and get bailed out in the bad times.
Why the constant pressure to get rid of cash/pound notes/folding etc that has stood everyone in good stead for centuries? Because once your money is in the bank, it is no longer yours. The proof being that the we, the public, are last on the list to be given OUR MONEY should it all go wrong.

Oh well, such is life.



 


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