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Stirlingsays Flag 24 Oct 15 11.17am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend


There's been all this focus on increasing our already liberal gay rights laws (some of which I agree with anyway) and the drugs lobby are constantly prominent in pushing for legalisation with arguments that have gained some respectability.

But nothing like the same emphasis is given to what I consider to be the most ridiculous and invasive set of laws that are still actively pursued: sex trade laws.

Very little lefty outcry on that....Too busy doing hash to be bothered no doubt.

The implementation of these laws not only criminalises people who don't intend to harm others but it puts them at greater risk of physical harm, putting them onto the street instead of brothels that can be protected....And has the sheer ridiculous situation where the State sticks its nose into a sex act and evaluates whether it's valid or not because money changed hands.

It's not illegal for young women to pursue and marry rich old men.....That's practically the same thing.

Why do we still have these laws?

 


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Southampton_Eagle Flag At the after party 24 Oct 15 12.34pm Send a Private Message to Southampton_Eagle Add Southampton_Eagle as a friend

Been caught have you?

 

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Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Oct 2015 11.17am


There's been all this focus on increasing our already liberal gay rights laws (some of which I agree with anyway) and the drugs lobby are constantly prominent in pushing for legalisation with arguments that have gained some respectability.

But nothing like the same emphasis is given to what I consider to be the most ridiculous and invasive set of laws that are still actively pursued: sex trade laws.

Very little lefty outcry on that....Too busy doing hash to be bothered no doubt.

The implementation of these laws not only criminalises people who don't intend to harm others but it puts them at greater risk of physical harm, putting them onto the street instead of brothels that can be protected....And has the sheer ridiculous situation where the State sticks its nose into a sex act and evaluates whether it's valid or not because money changed hands.

It's not illegal for young women to pursue and marry rich old men.....That's practically the same thing.

Why do we still have these laws?


I agree with the sentiments, particularly for reasons like the probable lessening of sex attacks and the ability of people such as disabled people to be able to buy sex. However, there are obvious problems.
How exactly do you police prostitution so that the vulnerable are not exploited?
How do you make sure there is absolutely no sex-trafficking or under age girls forced into prostitution?
Whilst these are problems now, imagine the outcry if prostitution were legal and these kind of things popped up.
There would have to be quite a lot of thought about exactly how the overall system would work.

Even in places like Amsterdam and Germany where the sextrade is legal, there are still problems and debates, and that would perhpas be the place to start - how exactly has it worked in Holland? Whilst it seems like most are happy with the situation, I beleive that the influx of Eastern European prostitutes has caused a lot of problems. Not that I am any particular expert on the matter.

Another thing I would say is this - a bit like cannabis, it may be illegal but usually it is hardly the police's priority to arrest prostitutes or their customers. I would suspect that without being legal or decriminalised, that prostitutes openly advertise as legitimate 'escorts' and face little harrassment from law enforcement due to it.
I presume the problem is more street prostitution. I can remember seeing some sad looking girls around the docks in Hull for 15 quid a pop. I wouldn't indulge as I believed they looked like addicts - but plenty of others found that fine. That would be the kind of thing that would be barely acceptable, in my opinion.

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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 24 Oct 15 12.54pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Oct 2015 11.17am


There's been all this focus on increasing our already liberal gay rights laws (some of which I agree with anyway) and the drugs lobby are constantly prominent in pushing for legalisation with arguments that have gained some respectability.

But nothing like the same emphasis is given to what I consider to be the most ridiculous and invasive set of laws that are still actively pursued: sex trade laws.

Very little lefty outcry on that....Too busy doing hash to be bothered no doubt.

The implementation of these laws not only criminalises people who don't intend to harm others but it puts them at greater risk of physical harm, putting them onto the street instead of brothels that can be protected....And has the sheer ridiculous situation where the State sticks its nose into a sex act and evaluates whether it's valid or not because money changed hands.

It's not illegal for young women to pursue and marry rich old men.....That's practically the same thing.

Why do we still have these laws?

Stirling, it's myopic to suggest that 'the left' isn't doing anything with regards to the ridiculous prostitution laws. On a global level, lots of anti-slavery action groups focus primarily on the sex trade, and counselling and refuges have been set up by a lot of left-leaning and feminist groups in an attempt to help sex workers. Nationally, a lot of grass roots feminist and LGBT work has been done in a similar vein. Cuts to local government funding have also had a massive effect on the ability of local councils to provide support to women's refuges, and of course a lot of prostitutes in this country are either here illegally, thus are given no citizen's rights, or are homeless, drug dependent etc.

I also think grouping gay rights alongside drug and prostitution laws is a bit ridiculous. Homosexuality isn't a black market commodity, its a sexual orientation rooted in our biology which around 10/20% of human beings possess. Prostitution on the other hand, is often - but not by any means exclusively - a symptom of a society with high levels of poverty or inequality. The same can be said of drug addiction and usage.

I would agree with you though, criminalising these practices does a hell of a lot more harm than good.

 


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johnno42000 Flag 24 Oct 15 1.42pm Send a Private Message to johnno42000 Add johnno42000 as a friend

Is the reason it isn't legalised because there is a secret thrill for MP's that they may be caught and punished.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 24 Oct 15 2.48pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote Southampton_Eagle at 24 Oct 2015 12.34pm

Been caught have you?

I went with one as a twenty year old as an experience.

Bad idea, it became apparent that she was a druggie....I found myself in a strange house with lots of dubious people....I regretted it.....I've never done it again.

My opinion on this isn't about me.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 24 Oct 15 2.56pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote serial thriller at 24 Oct 2015 12.54pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Oct 2015 11.17am


There's been all this focus on increasing our already liberal gay rights laws (some of which I agree with anyway) and the drugs lobby are constantly prominent in pushing for legalisation with arguments that have gained some respectability.

But nothing like the same emphasis is given to what I consider to be the most ridiculous and invasive set of laws that are still actively pursued: sex trade laws.

Very little lefty outcry on that....Too busy doing hash to be bothered no doubt.

The implementation of these laws not only criminalises people who don't intend to harm others but it puts them at greater risk of physical harm, putting them onto the street instead of brothels that can be protected....And has the sheer ridiculous situation where the State sticks its nose into a sex act and evaluates whether it's valid or not because money changed hands.

It's not illegal for young women to pursue and marry rich old men.....That's practically the same thing.

Why do we still have these laws?

Stirling, it's myopic to suggest that 'the left' isn't doing anything with regards to the ridiculous prostitution laws. On a global level, lots of anti-slavery action groups focus primarily on the sex trade, and counselling and refuges have been set up by a lot of left-leaning and feminist groups in an attempt to help sex workers. Nationally, a lot of grass roots feminist and LGBT work has been done in a similar vein. Cuts to local government funding have also had a massive effect on the ability of local councils to provide support to women's refuges, and of course a lot of prostitutes in this country are either here illegally, thus are given no citizen's rights, or are homeless, drug dependent etc.

I also think grouping gay rights alongside drug and prostitution laws is a bit ridiculous. Homosexuality isn't a black market commodity, its a sexual orientation rooted in our biology which around 10/20% of human beings possess. Prostitution on the other hand, is often - but not by any means exclusively - a symptom of a society with high levels of poverty or inequality. The same can be said of drug addiction and usage.

I would agree with you though, criminalising these practices does a hell of a lot more harm than good.


I don't think it's ridiculous to have a go at the left for their priorities on this.

With a few notable exceptions they pay far more weight and emphasis upon the drug legalization issue than they do prostitution.

I will say that the left have done more good work on this than the right who I'm ashamed to say are mostly the problem behind these laws.

However, it's the left that keep this a minor issue. They are more interested in protecting weed growers than they are from reducing the chance that mostly young girls/women will suffer terrible abuse from any one of a number of different avenues.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2015 2.56pm)

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 Oct 15 4.30pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Oct 2015 11.17am


There's been all this focus on increasing our already liberal gay rights laws (some of which I agree with anyway) and the drugs lobby are constantly prominent in pushing for legalisation with arguments that have gained some respectability.

But nothing like the same emphasis is given to what I consider to be the most ridiculous and invasive set of laws that are still actively pursued: sex trade laws.

Very little lefty outcry on that....Too busy doing hash to be bothered no doubt.

The implementation of these laws not only criminalises people who don't intend to harm others but it puts them at greater risk of physical harm, putting them onto the street instead of brothels that can be protected....And has the sheer ridiculous situation where the State sticks its nose into a sex act and evaluates whether it's valid or not because money changed hands.

It's not illegal for young women to pursue and marry rich old men.....That's practically the same thing.

Why do we still have these laws?

Entirely agree, although in fairness prostitution itself isn't actually illegal, and many get around this through 'escorting' and 'massage' fronts. Most of the laws around prostitution are about 'street walking, curb crawling and brothels'. Most offences in the uk are for solicitation and kerb crawling offences, which occur in public (and for running brothels).


 


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Stirlingsays Flag 24 Oct 15 7.39pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Oct 2015 4.30pm

Entirely agree, although in fairness prostitution itself isn't actually illegal, and many get around this through 'escorting' and 'massage' fronts. Most of the laws around prostitution are about 'street walking, curb crawling and brothels'. Most offences in the uk are for solicitation and kerb crawling offences, which occur in public (and for running brothels).



As usual Jamie you manage to educate me on something.

The sooner we grow up about sex in our western culture the better for most of us......It's a hangover from religion that hurts plenty of people.

 


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Catfish Flag Burgess Hill 24 Oct 15 8.42pm

Dont think prostitution is illegal - it is soliciting that is.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 24 Oct 15 8.58pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote Catfish at 24 Oct 2015 8.42pm

Dont think prostitution is illegal - it is soliciting that is.


The whole situation is ridiculous.

 


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