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Red-Blue-Yellow Surrey 01 Oct 15 4.17pm
For the last 25 years the British political landscape has been unnaturally skewed to the right. We've endured having multiple choice of 3 or 4 parties all to the right of centre. Politics became simply a quest for seats in Parliament and jobs for your cronies. Choose your politics based on it's likely success at the ballot box not on it's intrinsic worth. We now have an overt restoration of balance to the political scene. There are other values, other philosophies, other choices being offered. Whatever your feelings about the resurgance of Socialist Values within the Labour Party, it should be welcomed. The parties of the right will not be talking consensus politics anymore. Policies will be under greater Parliamentary and national scrutiny than they have for many years. There are so many points of conflict between the agenda now set out by the new leadership and the status quo that only a fool would predict what will emerghe as the crucial ground for either side. It is fair to say though that the domestic battle will be a simple choice -like that taken recently by the Greeks- between Austerity and Social Investment. On a personal note, I have been amazed by the generally positive response that the Labour Conference has generated amongst friends and colleagues. I was also saddened by the responses of so many of my generation of 'old'Labour supporters who have forgotten the values that inspired the movement and been swayed by post-Thatcher Personality Politics. Even if this restored Labour Party does not gain power it will still be a force to be reckoned with and a vital counterbalance to the control which the right have over almost every facit of British life. I also enjoy posting on: Love Everton Forum, the Acceptable Face of Scouse Football. [Link] twitter.com/LuvEvertonForum Come and give it a look, new members would be lovely. Come and JOIN. Or they'll nick your telly.
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For the last 25 years the British political landscape has been unnaturally skewed to the right.
We've endured having multiple choice of 3 or 4 parties all to the right of centre.
Politics became simply a quest for seats in Parliament and jobs for your cronies. Choose your politics based on it's likely success at the ballot box not on it's intrinsic worth.

We now have an overt restoration of balance to the political scene. There are other values, other philosophies, other choices being offered. Whatever your feelings about the resurgance of Socialist Values within the Labour Party, it should be welcomed. The parties of the right will not be talking consensus politics anymore. Policies will be under greater Parliamentary and national scrutiny than they have for many years.

There are so many points of conflict between the agenda now set out by the new leadership and the status quo that only a fool would predict what will emerghe as the crucial ground for either side. It is fair to say though that the domestic battle will be a simple choice -like that taken recently by the Greeks- between Austerity and Social Investment.

On a personal note, I have been amazed by the generally positive response that the Labour Conference has generated amongst friends and colleagues. I was also saddened by the responses of so many of my generation of 'old'Labour supporters who have forgotten the values that inspired the movement and been swayed by post-Thatcher Personality Politics.

Even if this restored Labour Party does not gain power it will still be a force to be reckoned with and a vital counterbalance to the control which the right have over almost every facit of British life.

I also enjoy posting on: Love Everton Forum, the Acceptable Face of Scouse Football.
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Hoof Hearted 01 Oct 15 4.31pm
Restored Labour Party? It's been 2 weeks and a few thousand politically motivated people have stumped up £3 to join. Can't see him reversing the tide in Scotland which will leave Labour woefully short of a majority. Middle England will never trust Labour with the economy. At best you will be slogging it out with the Lib Dems, UKIP and the Greens for 2nd place for at least another 5+ years.
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Hoof Hearted 01 Oct 15 4.31pm

Restored Labour Party?

It's been 2 weeks and a few thousand politically motivated people have stumped up £3 to join.

Can't see him reversing the tide in Scotland which will leave Labour woefully short of a majority.

Middle England will never trust Labour with the economy.

At best you will be slogging it out with the Lib Dems, UKIP and the Greens for 2nd place for at least another 5+ years.

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leggedstruggle Croydon 01 Oct 15 4.48pm
I generally agree with the poster of many colours. Blair got elected because he was a far more attractive and plausible leader than the various stooges that the Tories put forward. It was not really Blair's policies that won through, there was hardly any difference in the policies of the three major parties. Similarly Cameron was more attractive to voters than Brown or Milliband. Now we have a real choice in policies and Corbyn's sincerity and lack of spin should stand him in good stead - bit like the John Major 'ordinary bloke' image. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 01 Oct 15 4.48pm

I generally agree with the poster of many colours. Blair got elected because he was a far more attractive and plausible leader than the various stooges that the Tories put forward. It was not really Blair's policies that won through, there was hardly any difference in the policies of the three major parties. Similarly Cameron was more attractive to voters than Brown or Milliband. Now we have a real choice in policies and Corbyn's sincerity and lack of spin should stand him in good stead - bit like the John Major 'ordinary bloke' image.

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blind eagle Covington.Tennessee 01 Oct 15 4.57pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 01 Oct 2015 4.31pm Restored Labour Party? It's been 2 weeks and a few thousand politically motivated people have stumped up £3 to join. Can't see him reversing the tide in Scotland which will leave Labour woefully short of a majority. Middle England will never trust Labour with the economy. At best you will be slogging it out with the Lib Dems, UKIP and the Greens for 2nd place for at least another 5+ years. From this distance I cannot see any resurgence coming for the Labour Party. Sounds as if our friend is whistling in the dark and it seems as though Britain is still picking up the pieces from the debris that Tony Blair left behind.
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Covington.Tennessee 01 Oct 15 4.57pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 01 Oct 2015 4.31pm

Restored Labour Party?

It's been 2 weeks and a few thousand politically motivated people have stumped up £3 to join.

Can't see him reversing the tide in Scotland which will leave Labour woefully short of a majority.

Middle England will never trust Labour with the economy.

At best you will be slogging it out with the Lib Dems, UKIP and the Greens for 2nd place for at least another 5+ years.

From this distance I cannot see any resurgence coming for the Labour Party. Sounds as if our friend is whistling in the dark and it seems as though Britain is still picking up the pieces from the debris that Tony Blair left behind.

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chris123 hove actually 01 Oct 15 5.27pm
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 01 Oct 2015 4.17pm For the last 25 years the British political landscape has been unnaturally skewed to the right. We've endured having multiple choice of 3 or 4 parties all to the right of centre. Politics became simply a quest for seats in Parliament and jobs for your cronies. Choose your politics based on it's likely success at the ballot box not on it's intrinsic worth. We now have an overt restoration of balance to the political scene. There are other values, other philosophies, other choices being offered. Whatever your feelings about the resurgance of Socialist Values within the Labour Party, it should be welcomed. The parties of the right will not be talking consensus politics anymore. Policies will be under greater Parliamentary and national scrutiny than they have for many years. There are so many points of conflict between the agenda now set out by the new leadership and the status quo that only a fool would predict what will emerghe as the crucial ground for either side. It is fair to say though that the domestic battle will be a simple choice -like that taken recently by the Greeks- between Austerity and Social Investment. On a personal note, I have been amazed by the generally positive response that the Labour Conference has generated amongst friends and colleagues. I was also saddened by the responses of so many of my generation of 'old'Labour supporters who have forgotten the values that inspired the movement and been swayed by post-Thatcher Personality Politics. Even if this restored Labour Party does not gain power it will still be a force to be reckoned with and a vital counterbalance to the control which the right have over almost every facit of British life. Hardly any senior Labour MP's have aligned themselves with the new leadership - I think Idealism needs to turn to Realism for JC fairly quickly, otherwise the party with fracture as it has done before.
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hove actually 01 Oct 15 5.27pm

Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 01 Oct 2015 4.17pm

Hardly any senior Labour MP's have aligned themselves with the new leadership - I think Idealism needs to turn to Realism for JC fairly quickly, otherwise the party with fracture as it has done before.

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Red-Blue-Yellow Surrey 01 Oct 15 5.28pm
I think one of the points that has come out of this recent conference and reactions to it is that this is about NOW not the Britain which Thatcher railroaded and Blair conned. Yet a lot of folk are still conditioned by the corruption within the post-war Labour movement (self interest on one side and Communist finance and infiltration on the other) and the moral corruption of New Labour. This is going to be different. No Reds under the bed for starters. The Scottish Labour Party may very well be a lost cause at the moment but the SNP can be the most natural of allies for a Corbyn led Labour Party. Make no mistake, Socialism is not a panacea for the bone-idle but rewards shared investment in the common prosperity of the nation. The poorer sectors of society have made all the sacrifices and the wealthier sectors have reaped all the benefits. Redressing the balance is entirely feasable and socially neccessary before our already fractured national life becomes a patchwork of competing and antagonistic sub-societies...civil war without overt conflict but with most of it's associated evils. The restoration of balance is more important in preserving our British identity than most people are willing to admit. I also enjoy posting on: Love Everton Forum, the Acceptable Face of Scouse Football. [Link] twitter.com/LuvEvertonForum Come and give it a look, new members would be lovely. Come and JOIN. Or they'll nick your telly.
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Red-Blue-Yellow

Surrey 01 Oct 15 5.28pm

I think one of the points that has come out of this recent conference and reactions to it is that this is about NOW not the Britain which Thatcher railroaded and Blair conned.
Yet a lot of folk are still conditioned by the corruption within the post-war Labour movement (self interest on one side and Communist finance and infiltration on the other) and the moral corruption of New Labour.
This is going to be different.
No Reds under the bed for starters.

The Scottish Labour Party may very well be a lost cause at the moment but the SNP can be the most natural of allies for a Corbyn led Labour Party.

Make no mistake, Socialism is not a panacea for the bone-idle but rewards shared investment in the common prosperity of the nation.

The poorer sectors of society have made all the sacrifices and the wealthier sectors have reaped all the benefits.

Redressing the balance is entirely feasable and socially neccessary before our already fractured national life becomes a patchwork of competing and antagonistic sub-societies...civil war without overt conflict but with most of it's associated evils.
The restoration of balance is more important in preserving our British identity than most people are willing to admit.

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sydtheeagle England 01 Oct 15 7.41pm
Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 01 Oct 2015 5.28pm Communist finance and infiltration Comintern wasn't exactly a secret. I wouldn't call it "infiltration". Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.
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England 01 Oct 15 7.41pm

Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 01 Oct 2015 5.28pm

Communist finance and infiltration

Comintern wasn't exactly a secret. I wouldn't call it "infiltration".

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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rob1969 Banstead Surrey 01 Oct 15 8.20pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 4.48pm I generally agree with the poster of many colours. Blair got elected because he was a far more attractive and plausible leader than the various stooges that the Tories put forward. It was not really Blair's policies that won through, there was hardly any difference in the policies of the three major parties. Similarly Cameron was more attractive to voters than Brown or Milliband. Now we have a real choice in policies and Corbyn's sincerity and lack of spin should stand him in good stead - bit like the John Major 'ordinary bloke' image. Agree that a different choice is refreshingly welcome. A home for the far left of the Labour Party that have been frustrated over recent years (decades) - and the more idealist among the younger generation. Fine - as long as they don't expect ever to form a government. The vast majority of the electorate - including most 'working class' - are by nature conservative (with a small c) and while possibly having some sympathy with JC's views will vote with their head and wallet. The main beneficiaries - if JC was leader in 2020 - would be the Tories and possibly the Lib Dems. A lot of Labour MPs will be hoping JC is long gone before then.
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Banstead Surrey 01 Oct 15 8.20pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 4.48pm

Agree that a different choice is refreshingly welcome. A home for the far left of the Labour Party that have been frustrated over recent years (decades) - and the more idealist among the younger generation. Fine - as long as they don't expect ever to form a government. The vast majority of the electorate - including most 'working class' - are by nature conservative (with a small c) and while possibly having some sympathy with JC's views will vote with their head and wallet. The main beneficiaries - if JC was leader in 2020 - would be the Tories and possibly the Lib Dems.
A lot of Labour MPs will be hoping JC is long gone before then.

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Hrolf The Ganger 01 Oct 15 8.35pm
I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.
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I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.

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leggedstruggle Croydon 01 Oct 15 8.56pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 01 Oct 2015 8.35pm I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while. Well perhaps the 'young and gullible' will look at the financial disaster caused by the banks and wonder if those policies worked. They might also suck on how they cannot afford housing, a university education and having to work on zero hours contracts. At the same time they might ponder how mass immigration makes housing even more expensive, drives down wages, increases competition for jobs and causes communal tension. (Admittedly, Corbyn will do nothing about the immigration issue, unless he comes out against the EU that is.) mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 01 Oct 15 8.56pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 01 Oct 2015 8.35pm

I'm not sure how a return to policies that don't work and have never worked is a good thing but the young and gullible will suck on it for a while.

Well perhaps the 'young and gullible' will look at the financial disaster caused by the banks and wonder if those policies worked. They might also suck on how they cannot afford housing, a university education and having to work on zero hours contracts. At the same time they might ponder how mass immigration makes housing even more expensive, drives down wages, increases competition for jobs and causes communal tension. (Admittedly, Corbyn will do nothing about the immigration issue, unless he comes out against the EU that is.)

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Bert the Head Epsom 01 Oct 15 9.10pm
Quote blind eagle at 01 Oct 2015 4.57pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 01 Oct 2015 4.31pm Restored Labour Party? It's been 2 weeks and a few thousand politically motivated people have stumped up £3 to join. Can't see him reversing the tide in Scotland which will leave Labour woefully short of a majority. Middle England will never trust Labour with the economy. At best you will be slogging it out with the Lib Dems, UKIP and the Greens for 2nd place for at least another 5+ years. From this distance I cannot see any resurgence coming for the Labour Party. Sounds as if our friend is whistling in the dark and it seems as though Britain is still picking up the pieces from the debris that Tony Blair left behind. Well you are blind eagle after all.
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Epsom 01 Oct 15 9.10pm

Quote blind eagle at 01 Oct 2015 4.57pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 01 Oct 2015 4.31pm

Restored Labour Party?

It's been 2 weeks and a few thousand politically motivated people have stumped up £3 to join.

Can't see him reversing the tide in Scotland which will leave Labour woefully short of a majority.

Middle England will never trust Labour with the economy.

At best you will be slogging it out with the Lib Dems, UKIP and the Greens for 2nd place for at least another 5+ years.

Well you are blind eagle after all.

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Bert the Head Epsom 01 Oct 15 9.13pm
Quote chris123 at 01 Oct 2015 5.27pm Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 01 Oct 2015 4.17pm For the last 25 years the British political landscape has been unnaturally skewed to the right. We've endured having multiple choice of 3 or 4 parties all to the right of centre. Politics became simply a quest for seats in Parliament and jobs for your cronies. Choose your politics based on it's likely success at the ballot box not on it's intrinsic worth. We now have an overt restoration of balance to the political scene. There are other values, other philosophies, other choices being offered. Whatever your feelings about the resurgance of Socialist Values within the Labour Party, it should be welcomed. The parties of the right will not be talking consensus politics anymore. Policies will be under greater Parliamentary and national scrutiny than they have for many years. There are so many points of conflict between the agenda now set out by the new leadership and the status quo that only a fool would predict what will emerghe as the crucial ground for either side. It is fair to say though that the domestic battle will be a simple choice -like that taken recently by the Greeks- between Austerity and Social Investment. On a personal note, I have been amazed by the generally positive response that the Labour Conference has generated amongst friends and colleagues. I was also saddened by the responses of so many of my generation of 'old'Labour supporters who have forgotten the values that inspired the movement and been swayed by post-Thatcher Personality Politics. Even if this restored Labour Party does not gain power it will still be a force to be reckoned with and a vital counterbalance to the control which the right have over almost every facit of British life. Hardly any senior Labour MP's have aligned themselves with the new leadership - I think Idealism needs to turn to Realism for JC fairly quickly, otherwise the party with fracture as it has done before. But that is not such a bad thing. They all bought into the neo-liberalism narrative. Its junk.
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Quote chris123 at 01 Oct 2015 5.27pm

Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 01 Oct 2015 4.17pm

But that is not such a bad thing. They all bought into the neo-liberalism narrative. Its junk.

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