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serial thriller The Promised Land 24 Jun 15 9.21am | |
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I know it seems like all I post nowadays is depressing stories about how sh*t the government is, but to be fair they don't half give me plenty of material. Proposals under consideration include a £5billion cut to child tax credit. According to the Institute for Fiscal Studies, this would increase the official number of children in poverty by 300,000. The Centre for Social Justice has privately warned ministers they face an increasing risk of judicial review if they take action that directly contradicts the target laid down in law. But then I guess after all of their reckless spending and financial mismanagement leading up to the recession, it's only right that children bear the brunt of austerity measures. I really would love to hear what justification there is for spending billions of pounds on a massive nuclear submarine which will most probably just lie around in a warehouse all day, or £3.5 billion to revamp Parliament, instead of, you know, making sure kids wear clothes and have food. The fact is, austerity has failed. It had no historical precedent, it has overseen one of the biggest transfers of wealth from the poor to the rich in recent history, hasn't come close to addressing our national debt problems and is now causing children and the disabled to live in circumstances we couldn't have dreamt of even 10 years ago. Or am I just quoting from too liberal/lefty a source?
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Hoof Hearted 24 Jun 15 10.49am | |
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See my thread about a boob job paid for by dole money, which should have been used to feed her kids! If people can "save" their dole money to pay for boob jobs then it shows they shouldn't be given it in the first place. Child poverty......... my arse. Edited by Hoof Hearted (24 Jun 2015 11.01am)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Jun 15 11.04am | |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 24 Jun 2015 10.49am
See my thread about a boob job paid for by dole money, which should have been used to feed her kids! If people can "save" their dole money to pay for boob jobs then it shows they shouldn't be given it in the first place. Child poverty......... my arse. Edited by Hoof Hearted (24 Jun 2015 11.01am) So 1 case stands for everyone. Pathetic excuse and denial.
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Hoof Hearted 24 Jun 15 11.14am | |
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Quote nickgusset at 24 Jun 2015 11.04am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 24 Jun 2015 10.49am
See my thread about a boob job paid for by dole money, which should have been used to feed her kids! If people can "save" their dole money to pay for boob jobs then it shows they shouldn't be given it in the first place. Child poverty......... my arse. Edited by Hoof Hearted (24 Jun 2015 11.01am) So 1 case stands for everyone. Pathetic excuse and denial.
Benefits are spent on all sorts of luxuries rather than food or clothing.
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Pawson Palace Croydon 24 Jun 15 11.20am | |
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Said it before, benefits should not be paid in cash but a voucher or prepaid card system that can't be used on frivolous expenditure. "Poverty" is such a loose term now it's lost all impact in my opinion. It's relative. Poverty here is living like a king in some parts of the world.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Jun 15 11.27am | |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 24 Jun 2015 11.14am
Quote nickgusset at 24 Jun 2015 11.04am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 24 Jun 2015 10.49am
See my thread about a boob job paid for by dole money, which should have been used to feed her kids! If people can "save" their dole money to pay for boob jobs then it shows they shouldn't be given it in the first place. Child poverty......... my arse. Edited by Hoof Hearted (24 Jun 2015 11.01am) So 1 case stands for everyone. Pathetic excuse and denial.
Benefits are spent on all sorts of luxuries rather than food or clothing. So its the superficial element of benefit use, rather than the vast majority. Quite agree. The vast majority of people on welfare aren't buying boob jobs or otherwise living the life or riley, that the right wing so like to project. Also, as pointed out in that story, she saved for the boob job by increasing the poverty of her children - So she didn't save for a boob job at all, her children suffered for it.
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Pawson Palace Croydon 24 Jun 15 11.30am | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Jun 2015 11.27am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 24 Jun 2015 11.14am
Quote nickgusset at 24 Jun 2015 11.04am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 24 Jun 2015 10.49am
See my thread about a boob job paid for by dole money, which should have been used to feed her kids! If people can "save" their dole money to pay for boob jobs then it shows they shouldn't be given it in the first place. Child poverty......... my arse. Edited by Hoof Hearted (24 Jun 2015 11.01am) So 1 case stands for everyone. Pathetic excuse and denial.
Benefits are spent on all sorts of luxuries rather than food or clothing. So its the superficial element of benefit use, rather than the vast majority. Quite agree. The vast majority of people on welfare aren't buying boob jobs or otherwise living the life or riley, that the right wing so like to project. Also, as pointed out in that story, she saved for the boob job by increasing the poverty of her children - So she didn't save for a boob job at all, her children suffered for it.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Jun 15 11.34am | |
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Quote Pawson Palace at 24 Jun 2015 11.20am
Said it before, benefits should not be paid in cash but a voucher or prepaid card system that can't be used on frivolous expenditure. "Poverty" is such a loose term now it's lost all impact in my opinion. It's relative. Poverty here is living like a king in some parts of the world. Its not a viable method. Firstly, it would cost more (because you'd need to introduce a system by which they are issued, collected and redeemed). Secondly, its not flexible enough to cope with the reality that some weeks expenditure is different. Thirdly the cost of the retailer is increased (for example if your Tesco, its a longer process for sales, as you'll have to assign vouchers against specific items in a large bill, to prevent people buying certain goods such as TVs, booze, cigs etc). So in order to work social services would have to be able to accurately predict what types of vouchers will be needed in a given week, for each person or family. As it stands social services and welfare agency aren't even remotely capable of this kind of service. It'd end up with all manner of problems. It seems ideal solution in theory, but in reality it has a lot of problems, and isn't as cost effective as just giving people the money.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Jun 15 11.35am | |
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Quote Pawson Palace at 24 Jun 2015 11.30am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Jun 2015 11.27am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 24 Jun 2015 11.14am
Quote nickgusset at 24 Jun 2015 11.04am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 24 Jun 2015 10.49am
See my thread about a boob job paid for by dole money, which should have been used to feed her kids! If people can "save" their dole money to pay for boob jobs then it shows they shouldn't be given it in the first place. Child poverty......... my arse. Edited by Hoof Hearted (24 Jun 2015 11.01am) So 1 case stands for everyone. Pathetic excuse and denial.
Benefits are spent on all sorts of luxuries rather than food or clothing. So its the superficial element of benefit use, rather than the vast majority. Quite agree. The vast majority of people on welfare aren't buying boob jobs or otherwise living the life or riley, that the right wing so like to project. Also, as pointed out in that story, she saved for the boob job by increasing the poverty of her children - So she didn't save for a boob job at all, her children suffered for it.
Its neither the states, her children's, or other benefit claimants fault, its her fault. The insinuation of the post is that because she did it, no one is in poverty (when in fact she increased the poverty of her children to do it).
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johnfirewall 24 Jun 15 11.43am | |
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Either cut down on beer or the kids new gear. It's a big decision is a town called Malice.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Jun 15 12.00pm | |
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I think the perception of some people on the right is that welfare and poverty are the same thing. They can be, but that's not necessarily true. Plenty of people on welfare are not impoverished, or in poverty, because they have the capacity to cope. Unfortunately, it misses the reality of life on welfare and the realities of poverty. If your parents (or a parent) is an alcoholic, then poverty is a likely outcome, if you're on welfare, because one or both of your parents has an uncontrollable drive to drink. No amount of moral posturing or cuts will actually change that, an alcoholic will still drink, and if necessary fund their drinking by additional means. Addicts have been known to even turn to prostituting their kids in order to get their substance of abuse. The problems of poverty tend to lie in problems in individuals capacity and agency to cope in society, which are then amplified by the fact their income is minimal. Often these problems are educational and emotional problems, learning disorders, a disability or three, mental health problems, addiction and so on; which can't be resolved by simply cutting funding to public services, cutting welfare payments and moral platitudes. What is equally disturbing, is the number of people in full time work, that are in poverty
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johnno42000 24 Jun 15 2.14pm | |
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Quote Pawson Palace at 24 Jun 2015 11.20am
Said it before, benefits should not be paid in cash but a voucher or prepaid card system that can't be used on frivolous expenditure. "Poverty" is such a loose term now it's lost all impact in my opinion. It's relative. Poverty here is living like a king in some parts of the world. I agree it's relative but because it is worse in some parts of the world does not mean it is not bad here. Children do go hungry in the UK and go without clothes and other essentials. I believe there are several reasons for this, including parental neglect in some cases, but I believe things like benefit sanctions have a far bigger impact. Surely the aim should be to ensure that no child goes hungry anywhere in the world.
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