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Pussay Patrol  09 Feb 15 9.06pm |
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36 Labour party employees on zero hour contracts
Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah |
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imbored  UK 09 Feb 15 10.30pm |
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Typical politicians then.
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 We are goin up! Coulsdon 09 Feb 15 10.44pm |
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The gift that keeps on giving.
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. |
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Feb 15 11.00pm |
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Whilst I don't agree with zero hours contracts (and f*** labour if they are being hypocrites)the article doesn't say how often the people are employed. For instance, is it on a casual basis to deliver leaflets or stuff envelopes? This is vastly different to those employed by sports direct et al because it's (as the article says) the way they employ most of their staff.
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mjfarrow  09 Feb 15 11.52pm |
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There's using zero hour contracts to employ somebody who works for you on an ad-hoc basis so they're paying tax and NI correctly. That's what they're actually for. What companies, not just Sports Direct either, are using them for is to restrict rights to employees that are defacto full-time. Look, I know this is an emotive subject and I'm no fan of New Labour. However, they're the lesser of two evils this time. Rag on Milliband and hypocrisy and all that but the fact is, the Tories are much much worse. They're bad, even for Tories.
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 10 Feb 15 9.24am |
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Quote mjfarrow at 09 Feb 2015 11.52pm
There's using zero hour contracts to employ somebody who works for you on an ad-hoc basis so they're paying tax and NI correctly. That's what they're actually for. What companies, not just Sports Direct either, are using them for is to restrict rights to employees that are defacto full-time. Look, I know this is an emotive subject and I'm no fan of New Labour. However, they're the lesser of two evils this time. Rag on Milliband and hypocrisy and all that but the fact is, the Tories are much much worse. They're bad, even for Tories.
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| OldFella London 10 Feb 15 11.28am |
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Quote nickgusset at 09 Feb 2015 11.00pm
Whilst I don't agree with zero hours contracts (and f*** labour if they are being hypocrites)the article doesn't say how often the people are employed. For instance, is it on a casual basis to deliver leaflets or stuff envelopes? This is vastly different to those employed by sports direct et al because it's (as the article says) the way they employ most of their staff.
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| Pussay Patrol 10 Feb 15 11.56am |
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Quote We are goin up! at 10 Feb 2015 9.24am
Quote mjfarrow at 09 Feb 2015 11.52pm
There's using zero hour contracts to employ somebody who works for you on an ad-hoc basis so they're paying tax and NI correctly. That's what they're actually for. What companies, not just Sports Direct either, are using them for is to restrict rights to employees that are defacto full-time. Look, I know this is an emotive subject and I'm no fan of New Labour. However, they're the lesser of two evils this time. Rag on Milliband and hypocrisy and all that but the fact is, the Tories are much much worse. They're bad, even for Tories.
Exactly. Rather than be cliche and just bleat out the 'Nasty Tory' Line why not explain why they are worse on this issue?
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| Hoof Hearted 10 Feb 15 12.02pm | |
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Quote nickgusset at 09 Feb 2015 11.00pm
Whilst I don't agree with zero hours contracts (and f*** labour if they are being hypocrites)the article doesn't say how often the people are employed. For instance, is it on a casual basis to deliver leaflets or stuff envelopes? This is vastly different to those employed by sports direct et al because it's (as the article says) the way they employ most of their staff. If it's on an internship type thing, it's a step up from unpaid interns...
You're either against zero hours contracts, or you're not.
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| Mapletree Croydon 10 Feb 15 12.30pm |
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Is this the school for the hard of thinking? First, it was the Daily Mail. Just possibly not the most objective newspaper Second, the actual quote is 'If you are working regular hours then you should get a regular contract.' It is clear that these contracts are not for people working regular hours. When I worked as a temp in the past, which I did willingly, I had the Devil's own job sorting out some of this stuff. Like MJFarrow said, zero hours contracts have their place, just not in replacement of permanent or fixed term contracts. Some people just like to give their pet hates a kicking without any recourse to common sense or indeed the truth. Edited by Mapletree (10 Feb 2015 12.31pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Feb 15 12.36pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Feb 2015 12.02pm
Quote nickgusset at 09 Feb 2015 11.00pm
Whilst I don't agree with zero hours contracts (and f*** labour if they are being hypocrites)the article doesn't say how often the people are employed. For instance, is it on a casual basis to deliver leaflets or stuff envelopes? This is vastly different to those employed by sports direct et al because it's (as the article says) the way they employ most of their staff. If it's on an internship type thing, it's a step up from unpaid interns...
You're either against zero hours contracts, or you're not. Like I alluded to, which you conveniently ignored, it depends on how ad hoc the work is.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 10 Feb 15 12.42pm |
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Irrespective of whether it is hypocrisy or not I think it will be very difficult for Labour to defend. It does look very bad and where the message isn't simple (i.e. 'Zero hour contracts are baaaaaadddd' as opposed to 'On occasions, when not used in place of full time or part time contracts, zero hours are permissible. Otherwise they are unacceptable') then it is going to get lost.
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
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