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 Teddy Eagle  10 Jan 20 12.40pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You don't have to live on Mars to know what the conditions are like there and to listen to experts who know what is needed to make it habitable. No-one lives everywhere. Everyone lives somewhere. Some live in Cornwall. Some in Wisbech, as I used to not so long ago. Some live in Croydon, as I did some years ago You don't need to be close to a wall to know it's a wall. Often if you are close you can only see a brick and not the cement that binds the wall together. Looking from afar allows a perspective that embraces the whole and not the specific. But how does that perspective allow you to criticise others’ opinions based on lived experience? Empiricism may not be the only game in town but it’s more convincing than wishful thinking.
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Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 10 Jan 20 6.58pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But how does that perspective allow you to criticise others’ opinions based on lived experience? Empiricism may not be the only game in town but it’s more convincing than wishful thinking. A lived experience is, by it's very nature, a personal one. If you like, just one brick in the wall. Those who see things from a wider perspective, and take account of many personal experiences, which will all differ, can put the whole into context. Expand that further and try to fit things into our whole society, where it has come from and where it is going, and it really doesn't matter too much what your own personal experience might be. I don't doubt for a moment that some folk have had personal experiences that they have disliked and seen neighborhoods change. Relatives of my ex wife used to live in Southall back in the 1960s but their whole street was bought up by Indian families and they themselves sold up. 3 families sold up together and moved down here, to Cornwall. Their primary reason was they couldn't stand the smell of the curries that was everywhere. Guess what? 50 years later, whilst the parents have passed away, the second and third generations are still here and their favourite restaurant is the best Indian in Truro. Things change. Some folk get affected but it all settles down in time. Multiculturalism isn't a failure. It's a work in progress. And the truth is that there isn't a viable alternative. In a shrinking world, with increasing populations, with increasing knowledge of how and where things might be better, with increasing determination, opportunity and ability to migrate, the tide is flowing and there's not a lot we can really do to stop it. We just need to manage it as effectively as we can. Global warming is only going to increase the pressures. Politicians making promises they know they cannot deliver do us all a great misservice.
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cryrst  The garden of England 10 Jan 20 7.09pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I voted remain.
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| Teddy Eagle 10 Jan 20 10.41pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
A lived experience is, by it's very nature, a personal one. If you like, just one brick in the wall. Those who see things from a wider perspective, and take account of many personal experiences, which will all differ, can put the whole into context. Expand that further and try to fit things into our whole society, where it has come from and where it is going, and it really doesn't matter too much what your own personal experience might be. I don't doubt for a moment that some folk have had personal experiences that they have disliked and seen neighborhoods change. Relatives of my ex wife used to live in Southall back in the 1960s but their whole street was bought up by Indian families and they themselves sold up. 3 families sold up together and moved down here, to Cornwall. Their primary reason was they couldn't stand the smell of the curries that was everywhere. Guess what? 50 years later, whilst the parents have passed away, the second and third generations are still here and their favourite restaurant is the best Indian in Truro. Things change. Some folk get affected but it all settles down in time. Multiculturalism isn't a failure. It's a work in progress. And the truth is that there isn't a viable alternative. In a shrinking world, with increasing populations, with increasing knowledge of how and where things might be better, with increasing determination, opportunity and ability to migrate, the tide is flowing and there's not a lot we can really do to stop it. We just need to manage it as effectively as we can. Global warming is only going to increase the pressures. Politicians making promises they know they cannot deliver do us all a great misservice. Yes of course it’s a subjective view but when it’s based on my wife being insulted in shops and sworn at and spat at in the street on a regular basis I couldn’t care less about the bigger picture.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 10 Jan 20 10.50pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
B) And the truth is that there isn't a viable alternative. C) Politicians making promises they know they cannot deliver do us all a great misservice.
B. Poland, Hungary....good viable alternatives C. As opposed to politicians who will let the Tsunami continue until the UK is really broken ? dream on dude.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 12 Jan 20 8.48am |
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Sex discrimination case Just occasionally I feel sorry for the BBC but only very occasionally. This tribunal hearing has to be one of the worst decisions I have seen in a long time and I hope the BBC appeals it although it seems unlikely. Anybody who is front of camera is part of the entrainment industry and that includes presenters and should be paid accordingly. If 2 newsreaders alternately do the 9pm news and the viewing figures are higher for one of them that person is entitled to more pay because they put bums on seats, ratings are everything in that industry. In this case the tribunal was asked to compare 2 different programs that went out at different times one hosted by a household name the other by the claimant with very different viewing figures. My advice to the BBC would be to tell the staff that due to that decision all presenting jobs in future will be of equal pay and set that pay at the low end of the market. When there contracts come up for renewal the likes of Gary Lineker and the judges on Strictly will be on the same salary as the person reading the news at 4am in the morning when no one is watching. Samira Ahmed (me neither) may have won her case but I suspect she will not be thanked by her colleagues who will find it harder to claim a big salary for the reasons above. Back to bashing the BBC I see they received 60,000 complaints about their coverage of the GE that is up from 5000 complaints from the 2017 GE. Still dear old auntie will no doubt ignore that, hey some one has to re-arrange the deckchairs.
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| Midlands Eagle 12 Jan 20 9.10am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Back to bashing the BBC I see they received 60,000 complaints about their coverage of the GE that is up from 5000 complaints from the 2017 GE.
That smacks of organised complaining to me
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| Badger11 Beckenham 12 Jan 20 9.30am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
That smacks of organised complaining to me Quite possibly unfortunately the BBC hasn't provided further information.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 20 10.16am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Yes of course it’s a subjective view but when it’s based on my wife being insulted in shops and sworn at and spat at in the street on a regular basis I couldn’t care less about the bigger picture. I am sure that is very unpleasant and certainly unacceptable. For me that demonstrates how much more WE need to do as a society to ensure OUR standards become understood, accepted and practised. Caring about the bigger picture is the only way we can move society forward. No-one really needs to live anywhere in particular if they choose not to if they feel uncomfortable somewhere. I choose to live in Cornwall, after living in many other places around the UK during my life, as well as abroad. Family and work ties can be restrictive, so priorities must be assessed, but ultimately the choice is yours. Magic wands don't exist and individual attitudes, mine or yours, won't change anything. We are where we are and all we need to consider is what course of action will gradually improve things.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jan 20 10.37am |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
London stabbings and US city crime are evidence of inequality, poor education and a history of repression leading to a value system, we don't share, and cannot understand. Northern Ireland and Israel/Palestine are the result of centuries old religious strife and not multiculturalism as we understand it. South African issues are the result of imperialism. B. Poland, Hungary....good viable alternatives If and when they reach the same economic level as us, and adopt English as their spoken language, then comparisons might be valid. Until then not. C. As opposed to politicians who will let the Tsunami continue until the UK is really broken ? dream on dude. It's you who are dreaming of solutions that don't exist. Identifying problems is child's play. It's finding actual workable solutions that's the hard part. Chucking out concepts like "shut the door to immigrants" is just pub talk. There is no "tsunami" anyway except in the minds of some folk. Managing legal immigration is already done. Controlling the illegals is a huge problem.
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| Teddy Eagle 12 Jan 20 11.58am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am sure that is very unpleasant and certainly unacceptable. For me that demonstrates how much more WE need to do as a society to ensure OUR standards become understood, accepted and practised. Caring about the bigger picture is the only way we can move society forward. No-one really needs to live anywhere in particular if they choose not to if they feel uncomfortable somewhere. I choose to live in Cornwall, after living in many other places around the UK during my life, as well as abroad. Family and work ties can be restrictive, so priorities must be assessed, but ultimately the choice is yours. Magic wands don't exist and individual attitudes, mine or yours, won't change anything. We are where we are and all we need to consider is what course of action will gradually improve things. The point you are wilfully evading is that a lot of people not only reject our standards but actively want to replace them. As British people are now the minority in London how are they “our” standards anyway? This bigger picture is just hippie dreamland.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 13 Jan 20 8.49am |
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The BBC is to move 2/3 of its staff outside of London. Another pointless exercise in deckchair logistics. The BBC employs over 20,000 staff rather than moving them around the monopoly board they would be better off reducing the numbers of staff. Still I look forward to seeing those jobs being advertised in the Sun and the Spectator and the Times...
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