I do understand your stance and I am not entirely arguing against it, especially your last point.

I think what is interesting, as always, is to see just how far and how much Unions will push for and if this is not met, where that will leave the respective professions in terms of resource and therefore service.

I do think it somewhat speculative however to suggest that all received full pay and some whilst not working, I am not sure on that so not denying the claim either, and that most are not suffering in any way. With regards to both wages and benefits, you can have both really and there is plenty of opportunity in the Private sector for this also, I can confirm for myself but not for all however.

It's too much of a blanket statement and approach for me in terms of drawing a conclusion on the situation but again I fail to see it as a greedy, selfish or political move and more of an understandable attempt to receive reasonable pay given the status quo of the country. I accept this may not be the view of all so therefore content to just disagree/see differently.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Absolutely fine

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

I suspect that most leave because they didn't realise they would be working in a place where the tail wags the dog!
Teachers are powerless in todays schools - it isn't a job that I would do for all the money in the world.

Unless you are a lawyer I'm not sure you can say that with that degree of certainty.

I have served on 2 jury's and as far as I can tell both judges were fair and unbiased.

However both judges gave directions to the jury which was their interpretation of the law if you believe this then must must find for ....

As neither counsels objected I must assume that the judge was correct and fair.

In the case of the Colston statue the judge allowed the defence to produce an expert who gave the jury a 1 hour lecture on the history of slavery. Some legal experts queried whether this should have been allowed.

You only find out on appeal.

Edited by Badger11 (07 Feb 2023 10.46am)

One more point

Usual nonsense and " look at me " narcissism.

It's nonsense if for no other reason than how would someone possibly know what the judges' personal beliefs were.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Originally posted by The Dolphin
This is probably in the wrong topic but I wasn't sure where to put it.
Many of the current strikes are politically motivated in my opinion.
Many people are striking but one of the groups - Teachers - really get my goat.
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These are the Scottish lot admittedly but overall I have no idea why they are striking?
I know a number of Teachers at different levels from Primary to Deputy Heads.
They work hard and sometimes long hours but they also get a lot of time off and to add to that - which never gets mentioned - they get a near 25% pension contribution from us the taxpayer!
That is 10% more than Nurses for example.
So this lot want everything on a plate and cannot see why they shouldn't.
Full pay through furlough, massive pension pots, great holidays but still it isn't enough.
The only ones I would give a proper rise to is the Nurses and clinical staff.
The other 5 million odd should take a hike!
Mods - feel free to point to a different topic and I will move it.

Blimey.

All this about what a great job, stop whingeing stuff yet, if the job is so good, why do so many teachers leave after such a short time? Why the need for 'golden handshakes'?.

As for Covid, many a time I still had to teach remotely.

People who have never taught find it difficult to understand what a difficult, specialised, exhausting job it is. Indeed, when it was announced that schools were going back after Covid, you could almost hear a resounding cheer from parents across the land: Covid had reminded them that teaching young minds is not piece of p**s.

When I started teaching 13 years ago the money I earned was vastly different to what it is now: in real terms, I've had 30% pay cut.

That's ok is it?

The support staff at my college, those who support staff in class - another highly specialised job- are being paid under the living wage. They are leaving in droves and the support department are desperately asking if anyone has friends or family who might be able to join in order to relieve the pressure on classrooms. It's like taking people off the streets - desperate.

All these people may 'get your goat' but people who get my goat are those who pronounce without knowing what they're talking about. I think they should 'take a hike'.

Sorry.