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Teddy Eagle 26 Sep 21 8.49pm
Originally posted by Orange1290 yes but that automation itself needs people to create that automated system. I've been in certain areas of IT all of my life and there has never, ever been so much work around all over Europe and it's growing every year. Automation frees humans to do other things, such as innovate and innovation improves lives and creates the next level of employment. That's always been the case. Edited by Orange1290 (26 Sep 2021 7.33pm) Edited by Orange1290 (26 Sep 2021 7.34pm) There will need to be several hundred million jobs as innovators and system creators.
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Teddy Eagle

26 Sep 21 8.49pm

Originally posted by Orange1290

yes but that automation itself needs people to create that automated system. I've been in certain areas of IT all of my life and there has never, ever been so much work around all over Europe and it's growing every year. Automation frees humans to do other things, such as innovate and innovation improves lives and creates the next level of employment. That's always been the case.

Edited by Orange1290 (26 Sep 2021 7.33pm)

Edited by Orange1290 (26 Sep 2021 7.34pm)

There will need to be several hundred million jobs as innovators and system creators.

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Teddy Eagle 26 Sep 21 11.47pm
Originally posted by Orange1290 Nope, after drivers who are retiring, 'brexit' is the main cause as shown in the graph: [Link] France, Spain and Germany are facing a potential shortfall of 400,000 drivers between them. The US are facing an unprecedented shortage as well. Brexit again?
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Teddy Eagle

26 Sep 21 11.47pm

Originally posted by Orange1290

Nope, after drivers who are retiring, 'brexit' is the main cause as shown in the graph:

[Link]

France, Spain and Germany are facing a potential shortfall of 400,000 drivers between them. The US are facing an unprecedented shortage as well. Brexit again?

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Orange1290 27 Sep 21 4.18am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle France, Spain and Germany are facing a potential shortfall of 400,000 drivers between them. The US are facing an unprecedented shortage as well. Brexit again? No empty shelves, massive queues, shut down gas stations or collapsing energy companies in any of these EU countries unlike the UK. They can rely on the free movement of people and goods across the EU to manage any shortfalls they have. They also have no need to endlessly debate about issuing 'visas' just to get truck drivers. The link I posted above clearly shows 'brexit' as the key factor in the shortfall in the UK. Enjoy your turkeys from France this Christmas, nothing to do with brexit? Lol "UK turkey producers warn that labor shortages in the poultry sector could have consumers turning to French imports for the Christmas season." [Link] Edited by Orange1290 (27 Sep 2021 4.21am) Pro China, EU & Palestine
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27 Sep 21 4.18am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

France, Spain and Germany are facing a potential shortfall of 400,000 drivers between them. The US are facing an unprecedented shortage as well. Brexit again?

No empty shelves, massive queues, shut down gas stations or collapsing energy companies in any of these EU countries unlike the UK. They can rely on the free movement of people and goods across the EU to manage any shortfalls they have. They also have no need to endlessly debate about issuing 'visas' just to get truck drivers.

The link I posted above clearly shows 'brexit' as the key factor in the shortfall in the UK.

Enjoy your turkeys from France this Christmas, nothing to do with brexit? Lol

"UK turkey producers warn that labor shortages in the poultry sector could have consumers turning to French imports for the Christmas season."

[Link]

Edited by Orange1290 (27 Sep 2021 4.21am)

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cryrst The garden of England 27 Sep 21 6.01am
Originally posted by Orange1290 No empty shelves, massive queues, shut down gas stations or collapsing energy companies in any of these EU countries unlike the UK. They can rely on the free movement of people and goods across the EU to manage any shortfalls they have. They also have no need to endlessly debate about issuing 'visas' just to get truck drivers. The link I posted above clearly shows 'brexit' as the key factor in the shortfall in the UK. Enjoy your turkeys from France this Christmas, nothing to do with brexit? Lol "UK turkey producers warn that labor shortages in the poultry sector could have consumers turning to French imports for the Christmas season." [Link] Edited by Orange1290 (27 Sep 2021 4.21am) Energy companies have collapsed because their business model was like an addict in a casino. Must have max profit, then they ran out of chips. Should hmg bail them out? It was obvious that wholesale gas was going to rise. Like a mortgage a fixed rate is only temporary. The you hope variable is at least equal. These companies chose badly and the rate was higher. Would it be fairer for them to be saved and the price for customers would increase anyway. Either way it was going up. Edited by cryrst (27 Sep 2021 6.03am)
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The garden of England 27 Sep 21 6.01am

Originally posted by Orange1290

The link I posted above clearly shows 'brexit' as the key factor in the shortfall in the UK.

Enjoy your turkeys from France this Christmas, nothing to do with brexit? Lol

"UK turkey producers warn that labor shortages in the poultry sector could have consumers turning to French imports for the Christmas season."

[Link]

Edited by Orange1290 (27 Sep 2021 4.21am)

Energy companies have collapsed because their business model was like an addict in a casino.
Must have max profit, then they ran out of chips. Should hmg bail them out? It was obvious that wholesale gas was going to rise. Like a mortgage a fixed rate is only temporary. The you hope variable is at least equal. These companies chose badly and the rate was higher.
Would it be fairer for them to be saved and the price for customers would increase anyway. Either way it was going up.

Edited by cryrst (27 Sep 2021 6.03am)

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Orange1290 27 Sep 21 6.20am
Originally posted by cryrst Energy companies have collapsed because their business model was like an addict in a casino. Must have max profit, then they ran out of chips. Should hmg bail them out? It was obvious that wholesale gas was going to rise. Like a mortgage a fixed rate is only temporary. The you hope variable is at least equal. These companies chose badly and the rate was higher. Would it be fairer for them to be saved and the price for customers would increase anyway. Either way it was going up. Edited by cryrst (27 Sep 2021 6.03am) Just pointing out the short termism in the UK economy, continually going boom and bust, no long term investment or planning. Where are the numerous energy companies collapsing in continental Europe? Where are the queues at gas stations in continental Europe? Where are the food shortages in continental Europe? I'm regularly traveling between 4 European countries and have seen none of these, life pretty much as normal except some mask wearing and some vaccine certificate checks. Not a single person I have met has even mentioned anything about any shortage of anything whatsoever. Edited by Orange1290 (27 Sep 2021 6.21am) Pro China, EU & Palestine
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Orange1290

27 Sep 21 6.20am

Originally posted by cryrst

Edited by cryrst (27 Sep 2021 6.03am)

Just pointing out the short termism in the UK economy, continually going boom and bust, no long term investment or planning. Where are the numerous energy companies collapsing in continental Europe? Where are the queues at gas stations in continental Europe? Where are the food shortages in continental Europe? I'm regularly traveling between 4 European countries and have seen none of these, life pretty much as normal except some mask wearing and some vaccine certificate checks. Not a single person I have met has even mentioned anything about any shortage of anything whatsoever.

Edited by Orange1290 (27 Sep 2021 6.21am)

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dannyboy1978 27 Sep 21 6.39am
I haven't read anywhere why the companies haven't trained any drivers in the last 5 years when brexit got voted.
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27 Sep 21 6.39am

I haven't read anywhere why the companies haven't trained any drivers in the last 5 years when brexit got voted.

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Spiderman Horsham 27 Sep 21 7.42am
Originally posted by Orange1290 No empty shelves, massive queues, shut down gas stations or collapsing energy companies in any of these EU countries unlike the UK. They can rely on the free movement of people and goods across the EU to manage any shortfalls they have. They also have no need to endlessly debate about issuing 'visas' just to get truck drivers. The link I posted above clearly shows 'brexit' as the key factor in the shortfall in the UK. Enjoy your turkeys from France this Christmas, nothing to do with brexit? Lol "UK turkey producers warn that labor shortages in the poultry sector could have consumers turning to French imports for the Christmas season." [Link] Edited by Orange1290 (27 Sep 2021 4.21am) Then in 21 September he is blaming CO2 shortages, needs to make his mind up. Serious question if the freedom of movement across Europe makes it easier to employ lorry drivers, why is there such a shortfall everywhere?
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Horsham 27 Sep 21 7.42am

Originally posted by Orange1290

The link I posted above clearly shows 'brexit' as the key factor in the shortfall in the UK.

Enjoy your turkeys from France this Christmas, nothing to do with brexit? Lol

"UK turkey producers warn that labor shortages in the poultry sector could have consumers turning to French imports for the Christmas season."

[Link]

Edited by Orange1290 (27 Sep 2021 4.21am)

Then in 21 September he is blaming CO2 shortages, needs to make his mind up.
Serious question if the freedom of movement across Europe makes it easier to employ lorry drivers, why is there such a shortfall everywhere?

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Teddy Eagle 27 Sep 21 8.00am
Originally posted by Orange1290 No empty shelves, massive queues, shut down gas stations or collapsing energy companies in any of these EU countries unlike the UK. They can rely on the free movement of people and goods across the EU to manage any shortfalls they have. They also have no need to endlessly debate about issuing 'visas' just to get truck drivers. The link I posted above clearly shows 'brexit' as the key factor in the shortfall in the UK. Enjoy your turkeys from France this Christmas, nothing to do with brexit? Lol "UK turkey producers warn that labor shortages in the poultry sector could have consumers turning to French imports for the Christmas season." [Link] Edited by Orange1290 (27 Sep 2021 4.21am) If it turns out there is a shortage of turkeys, or anything else, it seems a fair exchange for migrant workers not being exploited in minimum wage jobs by fat cat business owners , wouldn’t you say?
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Teddy Eagle

27 Sep 21 8.00am

Originally posted by Orange1290

The link I posted above clearly shows 'brexit' as the key factor in the shortfall in the UK.

Enjoy your turkeys from France this Christmas, nothing to do with brexit? Lol

"UK turkey producers warn that labor shortages in the poultry sector could have consumers turning to French imports for the Christmas season."

[Link]

Edited by Orange1290 (27 Sep 2021 4.21am)

If it turns out there is a shortage of turkeys, or anything else, it seems a fair exchange for migrant workers not being exploited in minimum wage jobs by fat cat business owners , wouldn’t you say?

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jeeagles 27 Sep 21 8.27am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Badger is correct, automation will significantly reduce employment. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2021 8.40pm) Companies need to be at the cutting edge to ensure a competitive economy. A competitive economy will create more jobs. Failure to automate killed our manufacturing industry. Having driven across the country this weekend, the petrol crisis seems to have been purely brought on due to the media and stupid customers. Go at the right time and there's empty stations and empty queues. The long term need for HGV drivers in reducing. In less than 10 years the sale of new petrol vehicles will be illegal. HS2 will free up capacity on the existing rail network for freight - where much more can be used with much less staff.
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jeeagles

27 Sep 21 8.27am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Badger is correct, automation will significantly reduce employment.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2021 8.40pm)

Companies need to be at the cutting edge to ensure a competitive economy.

A competitive economy will create more jobs.

Failure to automate killed our manufacturing industry.

Having driven across the country this weekend, the petrol crisis seems to have been purely brought on due to the media and stupid customers. Go at the right time and there's empty stations and empty queues.

The long term need for HGV drivers in reducing. In less than 10 years the sale of new petrol vehicles will be illegal. HS2 will free up capacity on the existing rail network for freight - where much more can be used with much less staff.

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 27 Sep 21 8.34am
Originally posted by Orange1290 Just pointing out the short termism in the UK economy, continually going boom and bust, no long term investment or planning. Where are the numerous energy companies collapsing in continental Europe? Where are the queues at gas stations in continental Europe? Where are the food shortages in continental Europe? I'm regularly traveling between 4 European countries and have seen none of these, life pretty much as normal except some mask wearing and some vaccine certificate checks. Not a single person I have met has even mentioned anything about any shortage of anything whatsoever. Edited by Orange1290 (27 Sep 2021 6.21am) This article from Bloomberg this morning seems to think it's not just a UK problem. Bit worrying that part of the problem is "too little wind" over the Summer months. And Bloomberg is hardly a sensationalist tabloid. "Europe’s Energy Crisis Is Coming for the Rest of the World, Too" [Link] Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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mezzer

Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 27 Sep 21 8.34am

Originally posted by Orange1290

Edited by Orange1290 (27 Sep 2021 6.21am)

This article from Bloomberg this morning seems to think it's not just a UK problem. Bit worrying that part of the problem is "too little wind" over the Summer months.

And Bloomberg is hardly a sensationalist tabloid.

"Europe’s Energy Crisis Is Coming for the Rest of the World, Too"

[Link]

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Sep 21 9.09am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 I haven't read anywhere why the companies haven't trained any drivers in the last 5 years when brexit got voted. Failure to plan is a plan for failure. I am annoyed that the government did not push the big companies on this, but they (government and corporations) had plenty of time but sat back and did very little. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 27 Sep 21 9.09am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I haven't read anywhere why the companies haven't trained any drivers in the last 5 years when brexit got voted.

Failure to plan is a plan for failure.

I am annoyed that the government did not push the big companies on this, but they (government and corporations) had plenty of time but sat back and did very little.

One more point

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 Sep 21 10.14am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle If it turns out there is a shortage of turkeys, or anything else, it seems a fair exchange for migrant workers not being exploited in minimum wage jobs by fat cat business owners , wouldn’t you say? So is this or isn't this to do with Brexit? Because you seem to be arguing it's nothing to do with Brexit, whilst claiming the lack of migrant workers providing cheap labour (ie. Brexit) is the cause.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So is this or isn't this to do with Brexit?

Because you seem to be arguing it's nothing to do with Brexit, whilst claiming the lack of migrant workers providing cheap labour (ie. Brexit) is the cause.

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