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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 02 Feb 23 8.09pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

AI software....written by progressives.

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Frightening how any group can be allowed to control this technology.

 


One more point

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 04 Feb 23 7.42pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

''The task force is keen to implement the Lammy review recommendations to reduce disproportionate sentencing outcomes for black communities. Mckenzie told The Voice an assessment on criminal justice reforms will take place in March, with plans to discuss racial bias within the Crown Prosecution Service.'' guardian

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Can some Eagle please help me translate that into English ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (04 Feb 2023 7.44pm)

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Feb 23 8.26pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

''The task force is keen to implement the Lammy review recommendations to reduce disproportionate sentencing outcomes for black communities. Mckenzie told The Voice an assessment on criminal justice reforms will take place in March, with plans to discuss racial bias within the Crown Prosecution Service.'' guardian

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Can some Eagle please help me translate that into English ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (04 Feb 2023 7.44pm)

T was an independent review. How could any review headed by the unimpeachablely impartial David Lammy be anything else?

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 05 Feb 23 9.13am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

''The task force is keen to implement the Lammy review recommendations to reduce disproportionate sentencing outcomes for black communities. Mckenzie told The Voice an assessment on criminal justice reforms will take place in March, with plans to discuss racial bias within the Crown Prosecution Service.'' guardian

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Can some Eagle please help me translate that into English ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (04 Feb 2023 7.44pm)

I was in the gallery at a Crown Court a young black male got a prison sentence for forging his tax disc (yes a long time ago). An old white male in the next case (similar non violent crime) just go a fine.

Racist? Not really the young black male had a string of violent convictions as part of his rehab he was sent on a computer course which is how he learned to fake his tax disc. The magistrate was not happy that given a opportunity to turn his life around he had used it to progress from street crime to white collar crime.

As for the white male he wasn't violent and didn't have any previous.

Context is everything

 


One more point

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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Feb 23 11.39am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I was in the gallery at a Crown Court a young black male got a prison sentence for forging his tax disc (yes a long time ago). An old white male in the next case (similar non violent crime) just go a fine.

Racist? Not really the young black male had a string of violent convictions as part of his rehab he was sent on a computer course which is how he learned to fake his tax disc. The magistrate was not happy that given a opportunity to turn his life around he had used it to progress from street crime to white collar crime.

As for the white male he wasn't violent and didn't have any previous.

Context is everything

Only if you care about it.

All that matters is who holds the power.

People are going to gradually learn this in sharp relief over the coming decades. What the law says doesn't matter....it's who it is who interprets the law that matters and what they believe in.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Feb 23 7.58pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Only if you care about it.

All that matters is who holds the power.

People are going to gradually learn this in sharp relief over the coming decades. What the law says doesn't matter....it's who it is who interprets the law that matters and what they believe in.

How many judges and magistrates have you had direct experience of?

Or are you just theorising?

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 05 Feb 23 8.10pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

How many judges and magistrates have you had direct experience of?

Or are you just theorising?

I have been to a few court proceedings in my official capacity. Stirling is correct. I also had many dealings with Appeal adjudicators and believe me, they often took their personal view over factual evidence

 

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The Dolphin Flag 06 Feb 23 1.55pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

This is probably in the wrong topic but I wasn't sure where to put it.
Many of the current strikes are politically motivated in my opinion.
Many people are striking but one of the groups - Teachers - really get my goat.
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These are the Scottish lot admittedly but overall I have no idea why they are striking?
I know a number of Teachers at different levels from Primary to Deputy Heads.
They work hard and sometimes long hours but they also get a lot of time off and to add to that - which never gets mentioned - they get a near 25% pension contribution from us the taxpayer!
That is 10% more than Nurses for example.
So this lot want everything on a plate and cannot see why they shouldn't.
Full pay through furlough, massive pension pots, great holidays but still it isn't enough.
The only ones I would give a proper rise to is the Nurses and clinical staff.
The other 5 million odd should take a hike!
Mods - feel free to point to a different topic and I will move it.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 06 Feb 23 2.23pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

This is probably in the wrong topic but I wasn't sure where to put it.
Many of the current strikes are politically motivated in my opinion.
Many people are striking but one of the groups - Teachers - really get my goat.
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These are the Scottish lot admittedly but overall I have no idea why they are striking?
I know a number of Teachers at different levels from Primary to Deputy Heads.
They work hard and sometimes long hours but they also get a lot of time off and to add to that - which never gets mentioned - they get a near 25% pension contribution from us the taxpayer!
That is 10% more than Nurses for example.
So this lot want everything on a plate and cannot see why they shouldn't.
Full pay through furlough, massive pension pots, great holidays but still it isn't enough.
The only ones I would give a proper rise to is the Nurses and clinical staff.
The other 5 million odd should take a hike!
Mods - feel free to point to a different topic and I will move it.

Oh boy, are you ever being simplistic. And no doubt all teachers are 'the left'. So, just to respond simply, where do you get that teachers receive a 25% pension contribution from their employer? As an 80ths average salary defined benefit scheme that seems a bit unlikely.

In any case, in the meanwhile maybe teachers need to live. What would you say they should earn? Bear in mind that over 44% of teachers leave the profession within 5 years of qualification.

Experienced and senior teachers - which covers most staff - have seen their salaries reduce by 13% in real terms since 2010/11, without any balancing reduction in workload or improvement in other terms.

Teachers in the middle of the salary scale have had 9-10% cuts to pay since 2010–11, with starting salaries falling by 5% in real-terms.

In contrast, average earnings across the whole economy is likely to have grown in total by about 2% in real-terms between 2010–11 and 2022–23.

Why does this country accept that the most wealthy have accelerated in earnings yet the poorest keep getting poorer. It is bizarre, especially in a time when there is a scarcity of resources. And, surprise surprise, inequality rose considerably over the 1980s, reaching a peak in 1990 (last year of Thatcherism). Since 2010, income shares have been relatively unchanged, so the advantage gained by the top earners is now deeply embedded. It looks likely that we have no intention to tackle inequality, this Government seems determined to increase it again.

 

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The Dolphin Flag 06 Feb 23 2.32pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

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Sorry - 23.68% contribution from the employer unless I am reading it incorrectly?
I am not saying that all teachers are left wing - but their strikes are politically motivated by the Unions - so left is what left is!
In any event - I believe in fair pay - I employ people and they earn above average for the work that they do but I am working in the private sector.
If you decide to become a teacher then you know what the pay is and you know what the benefits are.
I feel no pity for them - sorry - nor the majority of public sector workers right now.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 06 Feb 23 2.52pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

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Sorry - 23.68% contribution from the employer unless I am reading it incorrectly?
I am not saying that all teachers are left wing - but their strikes are politically motivated by the Unions - so left is what left is!
In any event - I believe in fair pay - I employ people and they earn above average for the work that they do but I am working in the private sector.
If you decide to become a teacher then you know what the pay is and you know what the benefits are.
I feel no pity for them - sorry - nor the majority of public sector workers right now.

If you look at it from a societal perspective rather than an individual lens I would suggest that Teachers, as with many public sector employees, are absolutely critical and any severe decrease in their numbers would have a sincere detriment to our society.

I therefore think that their, along with other Pub.Sec. employees', striving for reasonable pay, aligned to current economic climates, is one more rooted in reality than just sheer greed. I would therefore be disinclined to portray it as 'political' beyond the expectation of them to suffer in the line of duty, so to speak, and criticise them for serving a necessary service to us all when they could choose not to for individual gain. The benefits for the Pub.Sec. you have highlighted are in place, usually, to offset pretty average and certainly below private sector wages they could earn elsewhere and will be of little use if/when struggling day to day.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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The Dolphin Flag 06 Feb 23 3.06pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I take your point but unfortunately there is a real disconnect now between private and public - maybe more so than ever before (which is saying something).
If you get the benefits to make up for the lower pay then you can't have both.
One Teacher grade gets approx. £25,000 (based on 2020 figures) in England - those in the South don't get more than the North - so those in the North win because the house prices etc are cheaper there.
London fringes, outer and inner get different % pay - for example - Inner London pay on the £25k grade is 25% higher than everywhere else in England - understandably so.
Given the furlough issue - I am pretty sure all PS workers got full pay throughout whether working or not - I would have thought that they might be a little more humble about pay right now - but their Unions won't have any of that!
It is as if it is only the public sector that are suffering - and many of them are not!
I stick with what I say because it has to be a general thing really - I can't see everyone getting different rises this time around.

 

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