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Kermit8 Hevon 13 Dec 16 1.07pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So you are quibbling over a few percent and ignoring the obvious fact that around half of London is now not White or British? That data is also out of date by 5 years BTW. Well yes of course I am "quibbling"/scrutinising. That is the enjoyable part. You should also take into account that plenty of those 35% I mentioned would have had parents and grandparents who came over in the 50's and 60's so true Londoners they are. Your figures just don't really add up to equal enough, and enhance, the point you are trying to get across. Basically, because it's not true, yet. Being a proper Londoner these days? It's a mix now. You can't truly believe someone who was born and lived in South London for say 50 years but whose grandparents came over on Windrush are not actual Londoners? I don't believe you do so, in those cases, your figures should take that into account and not be concerned with their skin colour. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 13 Dec 16 1.07pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you are quibbling over a few percent and ignoring the obvious fact that around half of London is now not White or British? That data is also out of date by 5 years BTW.

Well yes of course I am "quibbling"/scrutinising. That is the enjoyable part.

You should also take into account that plenty of those 35% I mentioned would have had parents and grandparents who came over in the 50's and 60's so true Londoners they are.

Your figures just don't really add up to equal enough, and enhance, the point you are trying to get across. Basically, because it's not true, yet.

Being a proper Londoner these days? It's a mix now. You can't truly believe someone who was born and lived in South London for say 50 years but whose grandparents came over on Windrush are not actual Londoners? I don't believe you do so, in those cases, your figures should take that into account and not be concerned with their skin colour.

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Dec 16 1.07pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Their kids will be British by birth surely. I don't know why people like you labour that point so much. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Dec 2016 1.08pm)
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Their kids will be British by birth surely.

I don't know why people like you labour that point so much.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Dec 2016 1.08pm)

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 13 Dec 16 1.12pm
Originally posted by richard shaw (og)65 muslim leaders have said they are actively trying to do this but unfortunatl;ey it doesn't seem to be happening . I really do think they aren't doing enough or do these militants have more power Muslim leaders seem to turn a blind eye to some of the problems and IF they DID do more and help the authorities things would get a lot better. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 13 Dec 16 1.12pm

Originally posted by richard shaw (og)65

muslim leaders have said they are actively trying to do this but unfortunatl;ey it doesn't seem to be happening . I really do think they aren't doing enough or do these militants have more power

Muslim leaders seem to turn a blind eye to some of the problems and IF they DID do more and help the authorities things would get a lot better.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Dec 16 1.12pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Well yes of course I am "quibbling"/scrutinising. That is the enjoyable part. You should also take into account that plenty of those 35% I mentioned would have had parents and grandparents who came over in the 50's and 60's so true Londoners they are. Your figures just don't really add up to equal enough, and enhance, the point you are trying to get across. Basically, because it's not true, yet. Being a proper Londoner these days? It's a mix now. You can't truly believe someone who was born and lived in South London for say 50 years but whose grandparents came over on Windrush are not actual Londoners? I don't believe you do so, in those cases, your figures should take that into account and not be concerned with their skin colour. I don't think you can generalise about people's loyalties or cultural leanings. There is no doubt that many people born in Britain consider themselves more attached to the country of their parents that Britain. It also changes the political and religious landscape. It is amazing how people just dismiss these things.
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13 Dec 16 1.12pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Well yes of course I am "quibbling"/scrutinising. That is the enjoyable part.

You should also take into account that plenty of those 35% I mentioned would have had parents and grandparents who came over in the 50's and 60's so true Londoners they are.

Your figures just don't really add up to equal enough, and enhance, the point you are trying to get across. Basically, because it's not true, yet.

I don't think you can generalise about people's loyalties or cultural leanings. There is no doubt that many people born in Britain consider themselves more attached to the country of their parents that Britain. It also changes the political and religious landscape. It is amazing how people just dismiss these things.

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Kermit8 Hevon 13 Dec 16 1.19pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I don't think you can generalise about people's loyalties or cultural leanings. There is no doubt that many people born in Britain consider themselves more attached to the country of their parents that Britain. It also changes the political and religious landscape. It is amazing how people just dismiss these things. That's a different, but interesting, topic. Back to the point you were trying to make: Going by the figures I linked it is pretty obvious that true Londoners - black, white, mixed - plus those who are of a white hue (European, Irish or from other parts) who have made London their home more recently is going to be well over 70% if not 80%. The population notions in your mind are imagined at this time. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 13 Dec 16 1.19pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That's a different, but interesting, topic.

Back to the point you were trying to make:

Going by the figures I linked it is pretty obvious that true Londoners - black, white, mixed - plus those who are of a white hue (European, Irish or from other parts) who have made London their home more recently is going to be well over 70% if not 80%.

The population notions in your mind are imagined at this time.

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Dec 16 1.31pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 That's a different, but interesting, topic. Back to the point you were trying to make: Going by the figures I linked it is pretty obvious that true Londoners - black, white, mixed - plus those who are of a white hue (European, Irish or from other parts) who have made London their home more recently is going to be well over 70% if not 80%. The population notions in your mind are imagined at this time. The subject is related to what you are saying because the stats don't tell you about that. How ever you spin it, the fact is that only 45% of London is white and British. The ethnic population is also growing at the fastest rate. That doesn't even factor in the 300,000 that have arrived every year for the last 5 years. Quibbling about stats does not alter that fact of what it means for the future of Britain's culture and politics or the wider implications of population density.
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13 Dec 16 1.31pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

That's a different, but interesting, topic.

Back to the point you were trying to make:

The population notions in your mind are imagined at this time.

The subject is related to what you are saying because the stats don't tell you about that.

How ever you spin it, the fact is that only 45% of London is white and British. The ethnic population is also growing at the fastest rate. That doesn't even factor in the 300,000 that have arrived every year for the last 5 years.
Quibbling about stats does not alter that fact of what it means for the future of Britain's culture and politics or the wider implications of population density.

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Kermit8 Hevon 13 Dec 16 1.37pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger The subject is related to what you are saying because the stats don't tell you about that. How ever you spin it, the fact is that only 45% of London is white and British. The ethnic population is also growing at the fastest rate. That doesn't even factor in the 300,000 that have arrived every year for the last 5 years. Quibbling about stats does not alter that fact of what it means for the future of Britain's culture and politics or the wider implications of population density. And a fair amount of those will be children of immigrants themselves. The kids of the 15% of European-born living in London in the linked report will also be considered white and British Londoners if they are here for life as will their kids. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 13 Dec 16 1.37pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The subject is related to what you are saying because the stats don't tell you about that.

How ever you spin it, the fact is that only 45% of London is white and British. The ethnic population is also growing at the fastest rate. That doesn't even factor in the 300,000 that have arrived every year for the last 5 years.
Quibbling about stats does not alter that fact of what it means for the future of Britain's culture and politics or the wider implications of population density.

And a fair amount of those will be children of immigrants themselves. The kids of the 15% of European-born living in London in the linked report will also be considered white and British Londoners if they are here for life as will their kids.

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richard shaw (og)65 my minds eye 13 Dec 16 1.37pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger No. Please don't start comparing ancient invasions and migrations which have no baring on or comparison with modern times. Things don't stay static in London for sure and the current trend means that our grand children will be in a minority. If you are happy with that and all the political implications of that, then that's fine. I'm happy with it , I would much prefer to have grown up in south London in a multi cultural society than some bigoted little englander town . interviewer " iggy , do you think you influenced anybody?" iggy pop " I think I wiped out the 60`S "
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No. Please don't start comparing ancient invasions and migrations which have no baring on or comparison with modern times.
Things don't stay static in London for sure and the current trend means that our grand children will be in a minority. If you are happy with that and all the political implications of that, then that's fine.

I'm happy with it , I would much prefer to have grown up in south London in a multi cultural society than some bigoted little englander town .

interviewer " iggy , do you think you influenced anybody?"
iggy pop " I think I wiped out the 60`S "

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Dec 16 1.39pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I don't know why people like you labour that point so much. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Dec 2016 1.08pm) First time I've said that on here. But people like you like to attribute words they haven't said to people.
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Shizzlehurst 13 Dec 16 1.39pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't know why people like you labour that point so much.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (13 Dec 2016 1.08pm)

First time I've said that on here. But people like you like to attribute words they haven't said to people.

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Dec 16 1.48pm
Originally posted by richard shaw (og)65 I'm happy with it , I would much prefer to have grown up in south London in a multi cultural society than some bigoted little englander town . So objecting to mass immigration or living in a town which is largely white makes you a bigoted little Englander? Thanks. People like you made Brexit a reality.
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13 Dec 16 1.48pm

Originally posted by richard shaw (og)65

I'm happy with it , I would much prefer to have grown up in south London in a multi cultural society than some bigoted little englander town .

So objecting to mass immigration or living in a town which is largely white makes you a bigoted little Englander?

Thanks. People like you made Brexit a reality.

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Dec 16 1.51pm
Originally posted by nickgusset First time I've said that on here. But people like you like to attribute words they haven't said to people. OK. So if I moved to Africa and had kids, my kids would be Africans right? Doesn't really mean much does it.
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13 Dec 16 1.51pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

First time I've said that on here. But people like you like to attribute words they haven't said to people.

OK.

So if I moved to Africa and had kids, my kids would be Africans right? Doesn't really mean much does it.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 Dec 16 1.56pm
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