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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Nov 16 10.56am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I feel like I just missed something. So a bloke got banned for using rather derogatory language presumably. Calling people offensive names is not going to go down too well on a public site. I'm not sure if banning is the way ahead. If you come one here and make a statement then you should be able to back it up with evidence or reasonable argument and withstand debate. If you clearly break the site rules then you can't really complain. The issue there is bias in the interpretation. Banning, I feel, just lends weight to the claims from the further right of politically motivated censorship. Banning someone isn't censorship. Its being held accountable for your speech. Censorship would involved deleting his post, or hiding it. Instead its there for all to see. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 16 Nov 16 10.56am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I feel like I just missed something.

So a bloke got banned for using rather derogatory language presumably. Calling people offensive names is not going to go down too well on a public site.
I'm not sure if banning is the way ahead. If you come one here and make a statement then you should be able to back it up with evidence or reasonable argument and withstand debate. If you clearly break the site rules then you can't really complain. The issue there is bias in the interpretation.
Banning, I feel, just lends weight to the claims from the further right of politically motivated censorship.

Banning someone isn't censorship. Its being held accountable for your speech. Censorship would involved deleting his post, or hiding it.

Instead its there for all to see.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Nov 16 11.51am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Banning someone isn't censorship. Its being held accountable for your speech. Censorship would involved deleting his post, or hiding it. Instead its there for all to see. Fair enough. Unlike the BB*, this place is moderated by adults.
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16 Nov 16 11.51am

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Banning someone isn't censorship. Its being held accountable for your speech. Censorship would involved deleting his post, or hiding it.

Instead its there for all to see.

Fair enough.
Unlike the BB*, this place is moderated by adults.

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Pista Bristol 16 Nov 16 12.18pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted How long have you lived in Bristol? I've lived here since 1982. Edited by Hoof Hearted (16 Nov 2016 10.44am) you should try getting out a bit more - might give you some perspective. old time bbs refugee
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Bristol 16 Nov 16 12.18pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

How long have you lived in Bristol?

I've lived here since 1982.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (16 Nov 2016 10.44am)

you should try getting out a bit more - might give you some perspective.

old time bbs refugee

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 16 Nov 16 1.56pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Banning someone isn't censorship. Its being held accountable for your speech. Censorship would involved deleting his post, or hiding it. Instead its there for all to see. Nazi Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 16 Nov 16 1.56pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Banning someone isn't censorship. Its being held accountable for your speech. Censorship would involved deleting his post, or hiding it.

Instead its there for all to see.

Nazi

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Hoof Hearted 16 Nov 16 4.26pm
Originally posted by Pista you should try getting out a bit more - might give you some perspective. You should be diagnosed with Parkinson's like me then see how difficult it is to get out a bit more to get this perspective.
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Hoof Hearted 16 Nov 16 4.26pm

Originally posted by Pista

you should try getting out a bit more - might give you some perspective.

You should be diagnosed with Parkinson's like me then see how difficult it is to get out a bit more to get this perspective.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Nov 16 5.43pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted You should be diagnosed with Parkinson's like me then see how difficult it is to get out a bit more to get this perspective. Surely getting in is harder, I struggle to get the key in my lock when I'm sober sometimes. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 16 Nov 16 5.43pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

You should be diagnosed with Parkinson's like me then see how difficult it is to get out a bit more to get this perspective.

Surely getting in is harder, I struggle to get the key in my lock when I'm sober sometimes.

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Dan1994 Wallington 16 Nov 16 9.00pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted How long have you lived in Bristol? I've lived here since 1982. Fishponds is now an up and coming Somalian district judging by my visits to the health centre. Kingswood is not a part of Bristol I need or want to visit, but I seriously doubt that it is a worse place to visit than St Pauls or Easton at night. HTV and Points West have reported gun crime on Stapleton Rd at least 3 times this year to my knowledge involving Yardies and Asians. I said within a radius of 10 miles... so you narrowed it down to 3 miles... so what? St Pauls was last gentrified in the 1800's. The once lavish 4 storey townhouses are now damp ridden bedsits. I have a friend that was threatened with a knife in St Pauls 4 years ago at the carnival by a black gang of youths. You're a bit quick to dismiss the race card to me. Oh and I often see plod in both Frenchay and Stapleton (probably making an excuse not to have to go to St Pauls or Easton) as I "venture" into both of them in my retirement every day. Edited by Hoof Hearted (16 Nov 2016 10.44am) Hoof, you are chatting out your arse. Ive just been living on the border of Montpelier/St. Paul's (10 minute walk to Cheltenham Road/Stoke's Croft) for several years. St. Paul's is becoming gentrified quite spectacularly; this backed up by my friends' sky-rocketing rents for the St. Paul's area. There is no gang warfare; all that stuff with the Aggi Crew stopped over ten years ago. The problems you describe are found in every city in the UK, irrespective of race. Not once did I get trouble, despite me being out at silly o'clock sometimes in what you describe as "dodgy" areas. I'm sorry that your friend was once threatened with a knife at a large event four years ago, but I know countless people who've had the same issues in Carshalton and Wallington. [Link]
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Wallington 16 Nov 16 9.00pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

How long have you lived in Bristol?

I've lived here since 1982.

Fishponds is now an up and coming Somalian district judging by my visits to the health centre.

Kingswood is not a part of Bristol I need or want to visit, but I seriously doubt that it is a worse place to visit than St Pauls or Easton at night.

HTV and Points West have reported gun crime on Stapleton Rd at least 3 times this year to my knowledge involving Yardies and Asians.

I said within a radius of 10 miles... so you narrowed it down to 3 miles... so what?

St Pauls was last gentrified in the 1800's. The once lavish 4 storey townhouses are now damp ridden bedsits.

I have a friend that was threatened with a knife in St Pauls 4 years ago at the carnival by a black gang of youths.

You're a bit quick to dismiss the race card to me.

Oh and I often see plod in both Frenchay and Stapleton (probably making an excuse not to have to go to St Pauls or Easton) as I "venture" into both of them in my retirement every day.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (16 Nov 2016 10.44am)

Hoof, you are chatting out your arse. Ive just been living on the border of Montpelier/St. Paul's (10 minute walk to Cheltenham Road/Stoke's Croft) for several years. St. Paul's is becoming gentrified quite spectacularly; this backed up by my friends' sky-rocketing rents for the St. Paul's area.

There is no gang warfare; all that stuff with the Aggi Crew stopped over ten years ago. The problems you describe are found in every city in the UK, irrespective of race. Not once did I get trouble, despite me being out at silly o'clock sometimes in what you describe as "dodgy" areas. I'm sorry that your friend was once threatened with a knife at a large event four years ago, but I know countless people who've had the same issues in Carshalton and Wallington.

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johnfirewall 16 Nov 16 10.13pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Just popped into this thread and I've missed all the fun. I always like to ask the England for English people what they mean by English. I have yet to receive a coherent response. Guessing you've only asked the average Millwall fan. Not really a motto I'd ever quote but I can see why one might favour people who want to be English over those who just expect some sort of rapid homogenisation. The latter are mainly the white middle class though.
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16 Nov 16 10.13pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Just popped into this thread and I've missed all the fun.

I always like to ask the England for English people what they mean by English. I have yet to receive a coherent response.

Guessing you've only asked the average Millwall fan.

Not really a motto I'd ever quote but I can see why one might favour people who want to be English over those who just expect some sort of rapid homogenisation. The latter are mainly the white middle class though.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Nov 16 9.46am
Originally posted by johnfirewall Guessing you've only asked the average Millwall fan. Not really a motto I'd ever quote but I can see why one might favour people who want to be English over those who just expect some sort of rapid homogenisation. The latter are mainly the white middle class though. Nationalism can be a good thing, but in the UK it does tend to get used to justify all the things people don't like and don't want, rather than being about the positive aspects of nationhood. I've met some, and there are some on here, who have a positive ideal of nationalism. But for many it seems to hide a thinly veiled excuse for hate, spite and their own insecurities. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 17 Nov 16 9.46am

Originally posted by johnfirewall

Guessing you've only asked the average Millwall fan.

Nationalism can be a good thing, but in the UK it does tend to get used to justify all the things people don't like and don't want, rather than being about the positive aspects of nationhood.

I've met some, and there are some on here, who have a positive ideal of nationalism. But for many it seems to hide a thinly veiled excuse for hate, spite and their own insecurities.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hoof Hearted 17 Nov 16 10.46am
Originally posted by Dan1994 Hoof, you are chatting out your arse. Ive just been living on the border of Montpelier/St. Paul's (10 minute walk to Cheltenham Road/Stoke's Croft) for several years. St. Paul's is becoming gentrified quite spectacularly; this backed up by my friends' sky-rocketing rents for the St. Paul's area. There is no gang warfare; all that stuff with the Aggi Crew stopped over ten years ago. The problems you describe are found in every city in the UK, irrespective of race. Not once did I get trouble, despite me being out at silly o'clock sometimes in what you describe as "dodgy" areas. I'm sorry that your friend was once threatened with a knife at a large event four years ago, but I know countless people who've had the same issues in Carshalton and Wallington. Thank you for your pleasant opening gambit.... you are a charmer. [Link] I mentioned Easton as well as St Pauls.... see the above article from the Evening Post (and was highlighted on local TV) about a shooting which the police say they're keeping an open mind on, but we all know it involves drugs. There have been quite a few reports of gun crime ad stabbings in and around Stapleton Road this past few years. As for St Pauls becoming gentrified I am not yet convinced, but I confess I haven't actually driven through it lately. Montpelier/Stokes Croft/Cheltenham Rd areas are a bit different to City Road St Pauls and immediate environs though. I doubt that you'd be made welcome in any of the pubs there? Having said that I agree that you would probably not be made welcome in the pubs of Southmead or Knowle West (particularly if you were foreign looking or had a non Bristolian accent). But your conclusion that danger lurks in every city in the UK doesn't reassure me and that demonstrates a massive sea change in behaviour since I was out and about at "silly O'clock on the lash in my youth.
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Hoof Hearted 17 Nov 16 10.46am

Originally posted by Dan1994

Hoof, you are chatting out your arse.

Ive just been living on the border of Montpelier/St. Paul's (10 minute walk to Cheltenham Road/Stoke's Croft) for several years. St. Paul's is becoming gentrified quite spectacularly; this backed up by my friends' sky-rocketing rents for the St. Paul's area.

Thank you for your pleasant opening gambit.... you are a charmer.

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I mentioned Easton as well as St Pauls.... see the above article from the Evening Post (and was highlighted on local TV) about a shooting which the police say they're keeping an open mind on, but we all know it involves drugs. There have been quite a few reports of gun crime ad stabbings in and around Stapleton Road this past few years.

As for St Pauls becoming gentrified I am not yet convinced, but I confess I haven't actually driven through it lately. Montpelier/Stokes Croft/Cheltenham Rd areas are a bit different to City Road St Pauls and immediate environs though. I doubt that you'd be made welcome in any of the pubs there? Having said that I agree that you would probably not be made welcome in the pubs of Southmead or Knowle West (particularly if you were foreign looking or had a non Bristolian accent).

But your conclusion that danger lurks in every city in the UK doesn't reassure me and that demonstrates a massive sea change in behaviour since I was out and about at "silly O'clock on the lash in my youth.

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Hoof Hearted 17 Nov 16 10.51am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Surely getting in is harder, I struggle to get the key in my lock when I'm sober sometimes. Steady Jamie... you're on "Shaky" ground!
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Hoof Hearted 17 Nov 16 10.51am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Surely getting in is harder, I struggle to get the key in my lock when I'm sober sometimes.

Steady Jamie... you're on "Shaky" ground!

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