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 Cucking Funt  Clapham on the Back 27 Mar 16 2.02am |
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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle
Yeah If you don't like a group purely because you are a bigot I don't think you should be able to express that. I don't think freedom of speech should extend to be able to express discrimination. If someone wants to say 'I don't like blacks, I don't like gays and I don't like Muslims' I don't think they should be allowed to. Think it all you want, there is nothing to be done about that, but say it and get punished. So what you're saying is that freedom of speech only applies to people that you agree with and any view/opinion that you happen not to agree with should be suppressed? It's curious that those who endlessly preach 'tolerance' tend to be frequently much more intolerant than those they seek to condemn. Edited by Cucking Funt (27 Mar 2016 2.07am)
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 27 Mar 16 2.12am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I think you are confusing me with Cucking. Still, always nice to be called dear. Leave my name out of it.
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 Nevada Eagle  Carson City, Nevada 27 Mar 16 5.19am |
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I will say whatever I want, whenever I want. My right, as a free man. Go ahead and try and take it away from me. LOL. Luv my rights. Come and take them away from me. I will hate who I want and love who want. Old bill make me laugh. Nothing better to do. They don't protect, they just arrest after the fact.
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| matt_himself Matataland 27 Mar 16 8.00am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I wonder why you get so fixated on the person when your wrong. I have been questioning this situation. If you go back and look what I have posted, I have been questioning these laws and action. It seems bizarre to me that people can be arrested for 'incitement' without any complaints or victim acknowledgement. It appears arbitrary and open to interpretation by random accuser(s). This also appears to be a huge waste of the authorities time during this period of heightened security warnings. The Police have a difficult enough job, and I have tremendous respect for them especially the way they have acted in the public interest throughout the process of cuts that have been forced on them, and I would wager they would rather be doing other things than rounding up social media gobs***e's. If that makes me 'wrong', so be it. Maybe I am missing a big point here. Edited by matt_himself (27 Mar 2016 8.11am)
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| Hoof Hearted 27 Mar 16 9.49am | |
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As Mapletree said earlier - this is indeed a weird site with weird opinions. It occurs to me that you are all frothing at the mouth over what is the right way to deal with someone who asked another person to explain Brussels and then tweeted his experience prompting the police to arrest him, charge him, then drop the charges when they realised it was a non starter. Meanwhile Muslim extremists (IS etc) continue to plot mass murder pretty much on our doorstep and across the world Muslims stone gay people and throw them off cliffs for practising sexual acts. Of the two situations I have outlined I find it very strange that the first situation about the tweet seems to be making some people's blood boil on here and want him strung up whereas the second situation seems to make you fond of Muslims and want to protect them? Am I alone in finding this odd?
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| becky over the moon 27 Mar 16 10.54am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
As Mapletree said earlier - this is indeed a weird site with weird opinions. It occurs to me that you are all frothing at the mouth over what is the right way to deal with someone who asked another person to explain Brussels and then tweeted his experience prompting the police to arrest him, charge him, then drop the charges when they realised it was a non starter. Meanwhile Muslim extremists (IS etc) continue to plot mass murder pretty much on our doorstep and across the world Muslims stone gay people and throw them off cliffs for practising sexual acts. Of the two situations I have outlined I find it very strange that the first situation about the tweet seems to be making some people's blood boil on here and want him strung up whereas the second situation seems to make you fond of Muslims and want to protect them? Am I alone in finding this odd? Not exactly frothing at the mouth, Hoof. Basically, there is sod all that we can do about IS killing people in the lands that they have taken over (and which the indigenous population of fellow Muslims has allowed them to take over). No-one seems particularly keen to see us put in troops and involve this country in yet another non-winnable fiasco, that will only give more cause for further atrocities against us (and our allies). We can complain about the stupidity of an already overstretched police force involving themselves in a perceived 'crime' that wasn't actually committed and with which they had no authority to deal off their own backs anyway. In short, let's stop giving oxygen to stupid publicity
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| Hoof Hearted 27 Mar 16 11.02am | |
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Originally posted by becky
Not exactly frothing at the mouth, Hoof. Basically, there is sod all that we can do about IS killing people in the lands that they have taken over (and which the indigenous population of fellow Muslims has allowed them to take over). No-one seems particularly keen to see us put in troops and involve this country in yet another non-winnable fiasco, that will only give more cause for further atrocities against us (and our allies). We can complain about the stupidity of an already overstretched police force involving themselves in a perceived 'crime' that wasn't actually committed and with which they had no authority to deal off their own backs anyway. In short, let's stop giving oxygen to stupid publicity I wasn't referring to you Becks... as ever your contribution to debate is reasonable and fair. I mentioned the Muslims treatment of gay people in Muslim countries (Saudi for example) and I wonder why some holers on here aren't up in arms about that? They're quick enough to jump on gay bashing in any form in this country... let alone stoning them and throwing them off cliffs if caught?
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| Mapletree Croydon 27 Mar 16 12.23pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
I wasn't referring to you Becks... as ever your contribution to debate is reasonable and fair. I mentioned the Muslims treatment of gay people in Muslim countries (Saudi for example) and I wonder why some holers on here aren't up in arms about that? They're quick enough to jump on gay bashing in any form in this country... let alone stoning them and throwing them off cliffs if caught? I guess it's for exactly the same reason as Becky's very good post above. We can't do much about the Muslims or to give another example the Russians who participate in gay bashing. Don't think many on here would like us to invade another country (again). But at least we can keep our own house in order and keep some kind of moral high ground. And excluding or vilifying Muslims in our own country for the actions of those in other countries - or in any way making them feel they don't belong - would be a great way to feed the monster.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Mar 16 2.30pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I have been questioning this situation. If you go back and look what I have posted, I have been questioning these laws and action. It seems bizarre to me that people can be arrested for 'incitement' without any complaints or victim acknowledgement. It appears arbitrary and open to interpretation by random accuser(s). This also appears to be a huge waste of the authorities time during this period of heightened security warnings. The Police have a difficult enough job, and I have tremendous respect for them especially the way they have acted in the public interest throughout the process of cuts that have been forced on them, and I would wager they would rather be doing other things than rounding up social media gobs***e's. If that makes me 'wrong', so be it. Maybe I am missing a big point here. Edited by matt_himself (27 Mar 2016 8.11am) Oddly I'm inclined, on an ethical ground, to agree - Alone the tweet is at best borderline. Unless there is more it seems overkill to consider it worth much investigation - But also if it breaks the law, even one we don't agree with, the police are obligated to respond - It seems to me to be an offence worthy of no more than a caution.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Mar 16 2.33pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
So what you're saying is that freedom of speech only applies to people that you agree with and any view/opinion that you happen not to agree with should be suppressed? It's curious that those who endlessly preach 'tolerance' tend to be frequently much more intolerant than those they seek to condemn. Edited by Cucking Funt (27 Mar 2016 2.07am) Freedom of speech doesn't apply where criminality has occurred. Incitement, for example, is an offence outside the bounds of free speech as it endangers others - The question though here is whether the tweet actually endangers or speaks to support hate or harming others, rather than just being stupid and ignorant nonsense. The police probably acted within the law, but the law should not be used to crush, based on the information nothing more than a caution that the individual had broken the law seems appropriate.
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 27 Mar 16 3.11pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Freedom of speech doesn't apply where criminality has occurred. Incitement, for example, is an offence outside the bounds of free speech as it endangers others - The question though here is whether the tweet actually endangers or speaks to support hate or harming others, rather than just being stupid and ignorant nonsense. The police probably acted within the law, but the law should not be used to crush, based on the information nothing more than a caution that the individual had broken the law seems appropriate. Thanks for telling me what I already know. My comment was aimed specifically at the post I quoted which was advocating the suppression of the freedom to dislike someone/something and to say so. In answer to your other point, not even a caution would have been appropriate as it's moot at best whether an offence had even been committed. In any reasonable person's book, this is over-zealous policing.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 27 Mar 16 3.25pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I guess it's for exactly the same reason as Becky's very good post above. We can't do much about the Muslims or to give another example the Russians who participate in gay bashing. Don't think many on here would like us to invade another country (again). But at least we can keep our own house in order and keep some kind of moral high ground. And excluding or vilifying Muslims in our own country for the actions of those in other countries - or in any way making them feel they don't belong - would be a great way to feed the monster. answer this then. Secondly I've never read such a load of hand wringing apologist bollocks.
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