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Stirlingsays Flag 20 Feb 16 10.50pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

An average household pays £350 per annum toward the EU but they get £3000 back not in cash but due to lower prices, jobs, trade and investment according to the CBI.

No porkies.

Except that it's complete porkies.

 


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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 20 Feb 16 11.18pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

Wasn't suggesting you were telling porkies BUT where does the money come from???? Just don't believe the figures, doesn't make much sense!!

It doesn't its Pro European bulls***

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 Feb 16 11.23pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Apparently Greece are now threatening to veto Britain’s EU deal should other member states choose to close their borders to refugees.

This is the same Greece that have been propped up by EU money for the past two years now dictating what Britain can and can’t do.

Oh the irony.


Edited by Tom-the-eagle (19 Feb 2016 7.10pm)

propped up or saddled with unsustainable debts and forced to sell public assets to private companies as part of the deal?

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 21 Feb 16 12.11am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

propped up or saddled with unsustainable debts and forced to sell public assets to private companies as part of the deal?

I agree with you here Nicky and they, the ordinary people, have been truly shafted

but what this does do is highlight 1) the importance/priority of issues as you say and, 2) that you will always have these a) disagreements or, b) countries having serious problems because they do not meet the requirements as in the Eurozone crisis.

Funny that decades when it was economic the Labour MP opposed EU treaties and now it's in their underpants.

If any of the tories had the balls they'd negotiate deals over different issues but this is where they don't want to have to earn their corn. They earn their wages in 4 months up to an election. That is when their future is in doubt for 5 years further than that. Give them a negotiation or a job to do and the useless f#ckers won't know where to start.

Your working classes have been sold out for the sake of short-term figures and BS and it's a lot to do with apathy and continuing what's happened before. Well this stuff doesn't affect me but I'm voting for the struggling working class if the labour party ignore them. Will be interesting to see how the labor party deal with this kind of issue.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Feb 2016 12.15am)

 


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Elpis Flag In a pub 21 Feb 16 11.44am Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

If we remain in, I want it to be for the benefit of ordinary people, not corporations. Is there anyone that can convince me that this would happen?

If we leave, will I still be covered medically with an E111 card? Or will I no have to pay for medical treatment when visiting eu countries?

Well remaining in is what the Multi nationals want ,free movement of people and a conveyor belt of cheap labour has seen their shareholders laughing all the way to the bank while 'ordinary people' have seen their own wages compressed .Its why we hear the CBI telling us the EU is good , yes good for them not for us.
Of course the cheap labour will eventually dry up and the EU has to expand again to keep the supply going. The Balkan states are next and after that Turkey , north Africa .
Outside the EU the UK could control who comes in and in what numbers . We should have zero unemployment at this time of good growth , we don't due to our open borders with the EU

You will have to get travel insurance (as you should do anyway) when travelling to EU countries , The E111 or whatever its called now just gives you access to medical treatment ,it doesn't guarantee free treatment . Of course foreign nationals will also have to have insurance before accessing the NHS.

Though the above are thoughts on EU membership they are probably not enough in themselves to leave. We are however losing sovereignty of our Parliament , we are becoming undemocratic with the unelected EU commission moulding our society and deciding our futures more and more .Regardless of trade deals , whether we gain financially or not, for reasons of Democracy , our hard fought for rights and Freedoms as Britons I'm voting out , I don't want ever closer union ,I don't want that flag , I don't want that anthem .
Vote Leave ,your children will thank you .

 

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Hoof Hearted 21 Feb 16 11.45am

Originally posted by the silurian

That old chestnut again....p!ease explain how we can renegotiate major additional changes by staying in, when Cameron could only negotiate very minor changes when we ARE IN IT!! And those changes WILL be voted out if the referendum keeps us in, be sure of that!!! They want our money, that's all they want us in the EU for!

EXACTLY!

Cameron's negotiations this last few weeks blows that argument right out of the water!

He has achieved the square root of fcuk all.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Feb 16 11.53am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

EXACTLY!

Cameron's negotiations this last few weeks blows that argument right out of the water!

He has achieved the square root of fcuk all.

He didn't go asking for much and came away with less than he asked for.
As the splendid 'Jacob Rees-Mogg" said "Thin gruel watered down"

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 21 Feb 16 12.27pm


Watching David Cameron’s smug face yesterday had smacks of Neville Chamberlain famously waving his ‘peace for our time’ Munich Agreement in the air as he stepped out of the aircraft having met with Hitler.

Just like the Munich Agreement, yesterday’s concessions are also worth f@ck all.

Having said that, Merkal has managed to take control of our country in a way that Hitler and his military might never managed to!

 


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Rubin Flag 21 Feb 16 12.30pm Send a Private Message to Rubin Add Rubin as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Much more chance of negotiating any ADDITIONAL future changes for The UK if we stay WITHIN UK. Otherwise, what you're proposing is akin to being the brash, arrogant gatecrasher at a party. You'd do well to focus upon both Sajid Javid & Theresa May's feedback today that astutely conveys the present situation.

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Even the Employment Secretary rates our Economy to be precarious and it is that factor that secures jobs; prosperity etc

On a separate note, has anybody noticed how the six Cabinet Ministers who have OUT-ed themselves are effectively has-beens; not greatly appreciated individuals with the broader electorate and/ or fellow ministerial colleagues e.g. Gove vs. May & Teachers

I've never trusted May in the slightest. She makes me shudder whenever I hear her speak. Gove is one of few that I've ever thought says what he truly thinks and doesn't just tow the party line. It says a lot to me and confirms my gut feeling on whether to leave or stay, seeing that he's the most prominent conservative in the out campaign.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Feb 16 12.33pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Rubin

I've never trusted May in the slightest. She makes me shudder whenever I hear her speak. Gove is one of few that I've ever thought says what he truly thinks and doesn't just tow the party line. It says a lot to me and confirms my gut feeling on whether to leave or stay, seeing that he's the most prominent conservative in the out campaign.

Dear Boris is yet to "Show his hand" !

 

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chris123 Flag hove actually 21 Feb 16 12.42pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Dear Boris is yet to "Show his hand" !


I think he's waiting until he's certain which way the vote will go and then he'll side with the winners.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Feb 16 12.53pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Just like the Munich Agreement, yesterday’s concessions are also worth f@ck all.

The deal is really irrelevant as Cameron had not asked for any changes to freedom of movement or any repatriation of powers to the UK.

In the final anaysis, Cameron always wanted to campaign to stay in the EU so only asked for minor changes.

 

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