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Stuk Top half 10 Nov 15 3.25pm
Quote dannyh at 10 Nov 2015 2.54pm Wow that escalated quickly So can we all agree that regardless of race, these two were a pair of grade A cunds, who deserve to be publicly flogged, but instead will probably be sent on a African Safari to show them the error of there ways. One question that no one has asked, so I will, Say I was on that bus, and stepped in to help the old lady, and restrained the daft bitch until the Old Bill arrived, what then if she said I assualted her ? This is why the general public dont help out any more, I know its an old example but look at the farmer who got banged up for shooting burglars IN HIS HOME, over here he gets banged up, in the USA he gets a medal. There has to be something fundamentally wrong when passes by walk past a fellow human being in distress through fear of being prosicuted themselves. Case in point what was the bloody bus driver doing ? The police would look at the CCTV and take a statement from the driver and the women who got punched. As for nobody doing anything. In this case everyone had got off the bus as they were fed up waiting for these two slags to get off. The driver refused to continue as they'd refused to pay. Presumably he was sitting in his cab, and I dare say they're told to stay there in an incident for their own safety (and the pocket of their employers) Optimistic as ever
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Quote dannyh at 10 Nov 2015 2.54pm

Wow that escalated quickly

So can we all agree that regardless of race, these two were a pair of grade A cunds, who deserve to be publicly flogged, but instead will probably be sent on a African Safari to show them the error of there ways.

One question that no one has asked, so I will, Say I was on that bus, and stepped in to help the old lady, and restrained the daft bitch until the Old Bill arrived, what then if she said I assualted her ?

This is why the general public dont help out any more, I know its an old example but look at the farmer who got banged up for shooting burglars IN HIS HOME, over here he gets banged up, in the USA he gets a medal.

There has to be something fundamentally wrong when passes by walk past a fellow human being in distress through fear of being prosicuted themselves.

Case in point what was the bloody bus driver doing ?

The police would look at the CCTV and take a statement from the driver and the women who got punched.

As for nobody doing anything. In this case everyone had got off the bus as they were fed up waiting for these two slags to get off. The driver refused to continue as they'd refused to pay. Presumably he was sitting in his cab, and I dare say they're told to stay there in an incident for their own safety (and the pocket of their employers)

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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Nov 15 3.40pm
Quote Kermit8 at 10 Nov 2015 2.19pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 10 Nov 2015 1.38pm Quote Kermit8 at 10 Nov 2015 11.10am Makes me laugh. We must have two million or so people with African and Carribbean heritage living in the UK yet some still see their skin colour and automatically think 'crime'. How many of that two million are actually violent or into other anti-social misdemeanours? 10 per cent? 20? That would still leave 1.6 million who deserve a bit more than 'guilt by colour' Treat as you find. Even if living in an area where the crime committed is disproportionately by those of a certain ethnic background as the vast majority from that same background are not villains. Just normal folk going about their day. Your sentiment is very fair minded but it is not born out by statistics. Despite black people only representing 2 or 3% of the population officially, knife crime/street crime is something like twice as likely to be committed by a black person. This is a reality. So 97% of the population commit half the knife crime than 3% roughly speaking. So when people are making a judgment about who is likely to commit crime that will be in their minds. That is not racism, that is self preservation and I apologise to any that may offend. Please feel free to dispute these figures because I'm grabbing them from memory. The lack of depth there with those stats is it is not taking into account how a few of the same individuals could be responsible for many hundreds of crimes. You can't rationally call it 'black' crime when there are thousands of British Carribean families just living their peaceful lives but happen to be the same skin colour as that nasty lot down the road. Gang crime 'yes'. Call it that. There are more teenage gangs in Glasgow than London I believe. They don't commit 'white' crime. They commit crime. Well stats are stats and people will interpret them to suit their position. I find it difficult to draw any other conclusion than the fact that black people commit more knife crime. The complex social reasons as to why will not be on peoples minds when they are walking home late.
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Quote Kermit8 at 10 Nov 2015 2.19pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 10 Nov 2015 1.38pm

Quote Kermit8 at 10 Nov 2015 11.10am

Makes me laugh. We must have two million or so people with African and Carribbean heritage living in the UK yet some still see their skin colour and automatically think 'crime'.

How many of that two million are actually violent or into other anti-social misdemeanours? 10 per cent? 20?

That would still leave 1.6 million who deserve a bit more than 'guilt by colour'

Treat as you find. Even if living in an area where the crime committed is disproportionately by those of a certain ethnic background as the vast majority from that same background are not villains. Just normal folk going about their day.

Your sentiment is very fair minded but it is not born out by statistics. Despite black people only representing 2 or 3% of the population officially, knife crime/street crime is something like twice as likely to be committed by a black person. This is a reality. So 97% of the population commit half the knife crime than 3% roughly speaking.
So when people are making a judgment about who is likely to commit crime that will be in their minds. That is not racism, that is self preservation and I apologise to any that may offend.
Please feel free to dispute these figures because I'm grabbing them from memory.

The lack of depth there with those stats is it is not taking into account how a few of the same individuals could be responsible for many hundreds of crimes. You can't rationally call it 'black' crime when there are thousands of British Carribean families just living their peaceful lives but happen to be the same skin colour as that nasty lot down the road.

Gang crime 'yes'. Call it that.

There are more teenage gangs in Glasgow than London I believe. They don't commit 'white' crime. They commit crime.

Well stats are stats and people will interpret them to suit their position. I find it difficult to draw any other conclusion than the fact that black people commit more knife crime. The complex social reasons as to why will not be on peoples minds when they are walking home late.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 10 Nov 15 3.42pm
Following on from Danny's comment I just came across this. [Link] Some dozy feckers but at least other commuters were willing to step in the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 10 Nov 15 3.42pm

Following on from Danny's comment I just came across this.

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Some dozy feckers but at least other commuters were willing to step in

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Nov 15 3.45pm
Quote Mapletree at 10 Nov 2015 2.39pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 10 Nov 2015 1.38pm Quote Kermit8 at 10 Nov 2015 11.10am Makes me laugh. We must have two million or so people with African and Carribbean heritage living in the UK yet some still see their skin colour and automatically think 'crime'. How many of that two million are actually violent or into other anti-social misdemeanours? 10 per cent? 20? That would still leave 1.6 million who deserve a bit more than 'guilt by colour' Treat as you find. Even if living in an area where the crime committed is disproportionately by those of a certain ethnic background as the vast majority from that same background are not villains. Just normal folk going about their day. Your sentiment is very fair minded but it is not born out by statistics. Despite black people only representing 2 or 3% of the population officially, knife crime/street crime is something like twice as likely to be committed by a black person. This is a reality. So 97% of the population commit half the knife crime than 3% roughly speaking. So when people are making a judgment about who is likely to commit crime that will be in their minds. That is not racism, that is self preservation and I apologise to any that may offend. Please feel free to dispute these figures because I'm grabbing them from memory. Such a simple and simplistic label race. It is far more telling where people live than race if you want to look at their propensity to commit crime. I'm not really sure what you are getting at. Where I lived never made me want to stab anyone although I have been stabbed many years ago.
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10 Nov 15 3.45pm

Quote Mapletree at 10 Nov 2015 2.39pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 10 Nov 2015 1.38pm

Quote Kermit8 at 10 Nov 2015 11.10am

Makes me laugh. We must have two million or so people with African and Carribbean heritage living in the UK yet some still see their skin colour and automatically think 'crime'.

How many of that two million are actually violent or into other anti-social misdemeanours? 10 per cent? 20?

That would still leave 1.6 million who deserve a bit more than 'guilt by colour'

Such a simple and simplistic label race. It is far more telling where people live than race if you want to look at their propensity to commit crime.

I'm not really sure what you are getting at.

Where I lived never made me want to stab anyone although I have been stabbed many years ago.

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Stuk Top half 10 Nov 15 3.53pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 10 Nov 2015 3.42pm Following on from Danny's comment I just came across this. [Link] Some dozy feckers but at least other commuters were willing to step in Monumentally stupid "act". Boy who cried wolf and all that. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 10 Nov 15 3.53pm

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 10 Nov 2015 3.42pm

Following on from Danny's comment I just came across this.

[Link]

Some dozy feckers but at least other commuters were willing to step in

Monumentally stupid "act". Boy who cried wolf and all that.

Optimistic as ever

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rednblue4eva Norwood 10 Nov 15 4.14pm
Quote dannyh at 10 Nov 2015 2.54pm Wow that escalated quickly So can we all agree that regardless of race, these two were a pair of grade A cunds, who deserve to be publicly flogged, but instead will probably be sent on a African Safari to show them the error of there ways. One question that no one has asked, so I will, Say I was on that bus, and stepped in to help the old lady, and restrained the daft bitch until the Old Bill arrived, what then if she said I assualted her ? This is why the general public dont help out any more, I know its an old example but look at the farmer who got banged up for shooting burglars IN HIS HOME, over here he gets banged up, in the USA he gets a medal. There has to be something fundamentally wrong when passes by walk past a fellow human being in distress through fear of being prosicuted themselves. Case in point what was the bloody bus driver doing ? A few years ago a mate was walking through Lewisham when a couple of low lifes tried to mug him. They picked the wrong guy, he's an ex para He grabbed the arm of the one holding a knife and twisted it, broken arm. Punched the other - broken nose. It was reported by CCTV operator, OB came along & interviewed him then went to the hospital & arrested the muggers Police were fine about it, but a local councillor said he should be charged with GBH as he shouldn't have resisted - he should have just handed over his phone and wallet !
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Norwood 10 Nov 15 4.14pm

Quote dannyh at 10 Nov 2015 2.54pm

Wow that escalated quickly

One question that no one has asked, so I will, Say I was on that bus, and stepped in to help the old lady, and restrained the daft bitch until the Old Bill arrived, what then if she said I assualted her ?

There has to be something fundamentally wrong when passes by walk past a fellow human being in distress through fear of being prosicuted themselves.

Case in point what was the bloody bus driver doing ?

A few years ago a mate was walking through Lewisham when a couple of low lifes tried to mug him. They picked the wrong guy, he's an ex para

He grabbed the arm of the one holding a knife and twisted it, broken arm. Punched the other - broken nose. It was reported by CCTV operator, OB came along & interviewed him then went to the hospital & arrested the muggers

Police were fine about it, but a local councillor said he should be charged with GBH as he shouldn't have resisted - he should have just handed over his phone and wallet !

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7mins In the bush 10 Nov 15 4.36pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 10 Nov 2015 3.40pm Quote Kermit8 at 10 Nov 2015 2.19pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 10 Nov 2015 1.38pm Quote Kermit8 at 10 Nov 2015 11.10am Makes me laugh. We must have two million or so people with African and Carribbean heritage living in the UK yet some still see their skin colour and automatically think 'crime'. How many of that two million are actually violent or into other anti-social misdemeanours? 10 per cent? 20? That would still leave 1.6 million who deserve a bit more than 'guilt by colour' Treat as you find. Even if living in an area where the crime committed is disproportionately by those of a certain ethnic background as the vast majority from that same background are not villains. Just normal folk going about their day. Your sentiment is very fair minded but it is not born out by statistics. Despite black people only representing 2 or 3% of the population officially, knife crime/street crime is something like twice as likely to be committed by a black person. This is a reality. So 97% of the population commit half the knife crime than 3% roughly speaking. So when people are making a judgment about who is likely to commit crime that will be in their minds. That is not racism, that is self preservation and I apologise to any that may offend. Please feel free to dispute these figures because I'm grabbing them from memory. The lack of depth there with those stats is it is not taking into account how a few of the same individuals could be responsible for many hundreds of crimes. You can't rationally call it 'black' crime when there are thousands of British Carribean families just living their peaceful lives but happen to be the same skin colour as that nasty lot down the road. Gang crime 'yes'. Call it that. There are more teenage gangs in Glasgow than London I believe. They don't commit 'white' crime. They commit crime. Well stats are stats and people will interpret them to suit their position. I find it difficult to draw any other conclusion than the fact that black people commit more knife crime. The complex social reasons as to why will not be on peoples minds when they are walking home late. If there are problems in certain ethnic groups, we need to be able to discuss them freely without the "R" word being thrown around. Think back to the pakistani men raping girls in Rotherham, people who raised the problem were sent for diversity training, this meant nothing was done while children were being raped. I believe there is a problem with young black people and crime in the London area, the reasons for this I can only guess at, but a quick google for crime stats are worrying. There was a interview on the radio recently about the lack of fathers in the Afro-Caribbean community, the lady being interviewed said it's hard to address the issue in the media as the subject has been described as "toxic" and "unpalatable to our audience" by media outlets she approached. Tough questions need to be asked, and everyone of us need to be adult enough to have our views challenged without name calling.
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7mins

In the bush 10 Nov 15 4.36pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 10 Nov 2015 3.40pm

Quote Kermit8 at 10 Nov 2015 2.19pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 10 Nov 2015 1.38pm

Quote Kermit8 at 10 Nov 2015 11.10am

Makes me laugh. We must have two million or so people with African and Carribbean heritage living in the UK yet some still see their skin colour and automatically think 'crime'.

How many of that two million are actually violent or into other anti-social misdemeanours? 10 per cent? 20?

That would still leave 1.6 million who deserve a bit more than 'guilt by colour'

Gang crime 'yes'. Call it that.

There are more teenage gangs in Glasgow than London I believe. They don't commit 'white' crime. They commit crime.

If there are problems in certain ethnic groups, we need to be able to discuss them freely without the "R" word being thrown around. Think back to the pakistani men raping girls in Rotherham, people who raised the problem were sent for diversity training, this meant nothing was done while children were being raped.
I believe there is a problem with young black people and crime in the London area, the reasons for this I can only guess at, but a quick google for crime stats are worrying.
There was a interview on the radio recently about the lack of fathers in the Afro-Caribbean community, the lady being interviewed said it's hard to address the issue in the media as the subject has been described as "toxic" and "unpalatable to our audience" by media outlets she approached.
Tough questions need to be asked, and everyone of us need to be adult enough to have our views challenged without name calling.

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bilbo 10 Nov 15 4.54pm
Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion. Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 4.55pm)
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Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion.

Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 4.55pm)

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Stuk Top half 10 Nov 15 4.59pm
Quote bilbo at 10 Nov 2015 4.54pm Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion. Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 4.55pm) More times? or more money? [Link] He was treated as an individual, wasn't he? Optimistic as ever
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Quote bilbo at 10 Nov 2015 4.54pm

Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion.

Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 4.55pm)

More times? or more money?

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He was treated as an individual, wasn't he?

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7mins In the bush 10 Nov 15 5.07pm
Quote bilbo at 10 Nov 2015 4.54pm Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion. Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 4.55pm) If I lived in Kenya, and vast majority of financial crime was committed by white people, I would like it discussed with a view to finding a solution. I would be upset if the far right hijacked to score points, as I would be upset if the left continued to deny there was a problem.
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Quote bilbo at 10 Nov 2015 4.54pm

Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 4.55pm)

If I lived in Kenya, and vast majority of financial crime was committed by white people, I would like it discussed with a view to finding a solution. I would be upset if the far right hijacked to score points, as I would be upset if the left continued to deny there was a problem.

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bilbo 10 Nov 15 5.22pm
Quote 7mins at 10 Nov 2015 5.07pm Quote bilbo at 10 Nov 2015 4.54pm Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion. Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 4.55pm) If I lived in Kenya, and vast majority of financial crime was committed by white people, I would like it discussed with a view to finding a solution. I would be upset if the far right hijacked to score points, as I would be upset if the left continued to deny there was a problem. You are proving my point as you believe the groups of people who should be put under the microscope and held accountable as a type are minorities. Why do we only need to find solutions for minority problems and not the manner in which we talk about them and how our attitudes play a role in them sometimes feeling detached from society in the first place. This is a story about two idiot girls and it would be best that we hold them firmly to account for their actions rather than talk about 'blacks' much in the same way that we would not ever begin to talk about 'the whites' in the UK. Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 5.25pm)
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Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 4.55pm)

You are proving my point as you believe the groups of people who should be put under the microscope and held accountable as a type are minorities. Why do we only need to find solutions for minority problems and not the manner in which we talk about them and how our attitudes play a role in them sometimes feeling detached from society in the first place.

This is a story about two idiot girls and it would be best that we hold them firmly to account for their actions rather than talk about 'blacks' much in the same way that we would not ever begin to talk about 'the whites' in the UK.

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matt_himself Matataland 10 Nov 15 5.28pm
Quote bilbo at 10 Nov 2015 4.54pm Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion. Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 4.55pm) To add to the above, I didn't here too many people speak out saying that the 'white community' has a problem to deal with when yet another misguided and sick youth goes nuts with a gun in the States and starts murdering black people in the hope of starting a race war. The two girls on the bus are a symptom of modern Britain, not race. Look at the 2011 riots. A section of Croydon kids, white black & mixed race, will behave like arseholes regardless of race given the chance. That sickens me. I was brought up to respect adults. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Quote bilbo at 10 Nov 2015 4.54pm

Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 4.55pm)

To add to the above, I didn't here too many people speak out saying that the 'white community' has a problem to deal with when yet another misguided and sick youth goes nuts with a gun in the States and starts murdering black people in the hope of starting a race war.

The two girls on the bus are a symptom of modern Britain, not race. Look at the 2011 riots. A section of Croydon kids, white black & mixed race, will behave like arseholes regardless of race given the chance. That sickens me. I was brought up to respect adults.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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