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jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Oct 15 12.41pm
Quote matt_himself at 19 Oct 2015 12.12pm Quote Oliver at 19 Oct 2015 11.54am Quote matt_himself at 18 Oct 2015 2.51pm Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles: [Link] What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks. What’s the agenda for continuously advocating that these are not lone wolf attacks is it so that Israel can then justify the launch of another ground offensive. The knife attacks are dismissed as 'lone wolf' attacks by the anti-Israeli lobby on here. I am not 'advocating' anything just offering a different perspective. It is known as debate. I appreciate that the left is trying to kill debate via bullying and use of emotive imaginery (see your post above regarding a 'ground offensive') but to me it is an important part of human interaction. Lone wolf attacks are often misunderstood. Essentially its the idea of a 'cell of one', where in rather than having an organization of active cells and support cells, you rely on individuals to conduct operations independent of the main body, possibly with no real ties to the organization itself. Usually this is a very effective security measure against intelligence agencies. A 'lone wolf' is arguably the most efficient and effective form of operative, the only problem tends to lie in their limitations in terms of resources and skills (and of course direction - they tend to be somewhat 'random' and uncontrollable). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 19 Oct 15 12.41pm

Quote matt_himself at 19 Oct 2015 12.12pm

Quote Oliver at 19 Oct 2015 11.54am

Quote matt_himself at 18 Oct 2015 2.51pm

Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles:

[Link]

What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks.

What’s the agenda for continuously advocating that these are not lone wolf attacks is it so that Israel can then justify the launch of another ground offensive.

The knife attacks are dismissed as 'lone wolf' attacks by the anti-Israeli lobby on here. I am not 'advocating' anything just offering a different perspective.

It is known as debate. I appreciate that the left is trying to kill debate via bullying and use of emotive imaginery (see your post above regarding a 'ground offensive') but to me it is an important part of human interaction.

Lone wolf attacks are often misunderstood. Essentially its the idea of a 'cell of one', where in rather than having an organization of active cells and support cells, you rely on individuals to conduct operations independent of the main body, possibly with no real ties to the organization itself. Usually this is a very effective security measure against intelligence agencies.

A 'lone wolf' is arguably the most efficient and effective form of operative, the only problem tends to lie in their limitations in terms of resources and skills (and of course direction - they tend to be somewhat 'random' and uncontrollable).

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 19 Oct 15 12.41pm
Chap on radio 4 this morning claimed that the latest attacks are being carried out by younger people who've 'had enough'
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Chap on radio 4 this morning claimed that the latest attacks are being carried out by younger people who've 'had enough'

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jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Oct 15 12.48pm
Quote nickgusset at 19 Oct 2015 12.41pm Chap on radio 4 this morning claimed that the latest attacks are being carried out by younger people who've 'had enough' Another infatada, back during the second it caught Araft by surprise, and it was a while before the Palestinian groups fell in behind the uprising. Not really surprising that Palestinians have had enough.... "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote nickgusset at 19 Oct 2015 12.41pm

Chap on radio 4 this morning claimed that the latest attacks are being carried out by younger people who've 'had enough'

Another infatada, back during the second it caught Araft by surprise, and it was a while before the Palestinian groups fell in behind the uprising.

Not really surprising that Palestinians have had enough....

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Kermit8 Hevon 19 Oct 15 12.49pm
Quote nickgusset at 19 Oct 2015 12.41pm Chap on radio 4 this morning claimed that the latest attacks are being carried out by younger people who've 'had enough' Had enough or not their assaults are undermining, and they would be wiser if they concentrated on sabotage and the IDF or the tooled up adult religious fanatics stealing their land rather than random innocent Israelis. Doing their cause zero good with this madness. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 19 Oct 15 12.49pm

Quote nickgusset at 19 Oct 2015 12.41pm

Chap on radio 4 this morning claimed that the latest attacks are being carried out by younger people who've 'had enough'

Had enough or not their assaults are undermining, and they would be wiser if they concentrated on sabotage and the IDF or the tooled up adult religious fanatics stealing their land rather than random innocent Israelis. Doing their cause zero good with this madness.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Kermit8 Hevon 19 Oct 15 12.54pm
There must be many hundreds of thousands of traumatised and brutalised kids emotionally fvcked up from the IDF actions over the years who are now in their teens and early twenties. That's one big sh1t-storm of anger. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 19 Oct 15 12.54pm

There must be many hundreds of thousands of traumatised and brutalised kids emotionally fvcked up from the IDF actions over the years who are now in their teens and early twenties.

That's one big sh1t-storm of anger.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Oliver Bodega Bay 19 Oct 15 2.24pm
Quote matt_himself at 18 Oct 2015 4.51pm Quote nickgusset at 18 Oct 2015 4.05pm Quote matt_himself at 18 Oct 2015 2.51pm Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles: [Link] What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks. 346 likes... I thought you had 'been told' not to interact with me? No debate here Is this a HOL restraining order? I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.
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Quote matt_himself at 18 Oct 2015 4.51pm

Quote nickgusset at 18 Oct 2015 4.05pm

Quote matt_himself at 18 Oct 2015 2.51pm

Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles:

[Link]

346 likes...

I thought you had 'been told' not to interact with me?

No debate here

Is this a HOL restraining order?

I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.

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Hoof Hearted 19 Oct 15 3.17pm
Quote Oliver at 19 Oct 2015 11.45am Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Oct 2015 11.08am Quote Oliver at 15 Oct 2015 11.59am Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Oct 2015 10.55am Quote Oliver at 12 Oct 2015 10.47am Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Oct 2015 3.44pm Quote nickgusset at 11 Oct 2015 11.45am Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Oct 2015 11.41am Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.37am Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Oct 2015 11.29am Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.18am Quote matt_himself at 11 Oct 2015 7.47am Quote Kermit8 at 10 Oct 2015 10.52pm Two kids shot dead by Israeli soldiers today. Here we go again. And where are the brave Palestinian leaders who direct and incite the kids into throwing stones and Molotov cocktails at IDF soldiers, who in turn fire into crowds who are physically threatening them? They are hidden in areas populated by ordinary people, knowing that Israeli bombs aimed at them will slaughter their own. They are no doubt on the phone to Riyadh and Doha, arranging more money to be sent to them to continue the 'struggle'. Blaming Israel for this is too simplistic and wrong. The Palestinian leaders need to be held up for scrutiny. During the last siege of Gaza, Amnesty international did a month long investigation and found no evidence at all of human shielding being used. It is a complete myth created by a state seeking moral justification for bombing children. And Amnesty International had no political agenda that they were working to? Of course they found no evidence.... they weren't looking for any! Please tell us what Amnesty's agenda is Hoof, I was clearly of the mistaken belief that they were a non-partisan charity! You won't find many right wing thinking people affiliated to them Serial. Right wingers not caring about others shocker! Au Contraire Nickle-arse....... I actually do care about others, but in this case it's the Israelis/Jewish people. Just in case any body forgot or wasn't paying attention in History classes at school, the Jews were treated pretty badly from about 1930 to 1945 by Hitler and the Nazis (and probably Stalin and his regime). The state of Israel was created to give the Jewish people a "spiritual home" and universal agreement to this creation was sanctioned by the UN. Since it's creation, neighbouring Arab countries have tried to wage war with Israel, but so far have got a bloody nose. Bearing in mind the treatment Jews have experienced since 1930 is it any wonder that they are fed up with Arab aggression, do not trust Arabs and will not rule out any measures to protect their borders and population. The Palestinians are just sh1t-stirring and deserve all the retaliation that they get from Israel when it is always them that breaks the ceasefires. Did the History you studied in school start in 1930 and was taught by ex member of Irgun How amusing......... Having thought about your reply a little deeper I can say that the millions of Jews killed in the holocaust probably wouldn't find your riposte amusing. Edited by Hoof Hearted (13 Oct 2015 10.32am) You seem completely unaware that Jews have suffered persecution for centuries it didn’t start with the Nazis. The treatment they suffered under Tsarist Russia caused them to flee in their millions initially to US and then with the rise of Zionism and the First and Second Aliyahs to Palestine changing the demography of the area forever. To say the land was given to the Jewish people with universal agreement is wrong. The fact that you acknowledge that Jews have been persecuted for centuries strengthens my argument. Their treatment by the Nazis was probably the most extreme, nearly wiping out their presence in Europe at least. Certainly that experience being so recent in history might explain their distrust of antagonistic nations and desire to hit back? With regard to your last point - wasn't the matter debated by the UN and voted on? That suggests universal agreement to me. Now we have established you have no historical knowledge of the region or its geopolitics. We will move on to English vocabulary go and look up the meaning of universal in a dictionary and then look up the result of the vote for General Assembly Resolution 181. No........ we'll cease to communicate with each other because you are incapable of reasoned debate by resorting to petty sniping and insults - the classic response by those individuals that cannot rely on straightforward arguments.
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Hoof Hearted 19 Oct 15 3.17pm

Quote Oliver at 19 Oct 2015 11.45am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Oct 2015 11.08am

Quote Oliver at 15 Oct 2015 11.59am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Oct 2015 10.55am

Quote Oliver at 12 Oct 2015 10.47am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Oct 2015 3.44pm

Quote nickgusset at 11 Oct 2015 11.45am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Oct 2015 11.41am

Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.37am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Oct 2015 11.29am

Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.18am

Quote matt_himself at 11 Oct 2015 7.47am

Quote Kermit8 at 10 Oct 2015 10.52pm

Two kids shot dead by Israeli soldiers today.

Here we go again.

And where are the brave Palestinian leaders who direct and incite the kids into throwing stones and Molotov cocktails at IDF soldiers, who in turn fire into crowds who are physically threatening them?

They are hidden in areas populated by ordinary people, knowing that Israeli bombs aimed at them will slaughter their own. They are no doubt on the phone to Riyadh and Doha, arranging more money to be sent to them to continue the 'struggle'.

Blaming Israel for this is too simplistic and wrong. The Palestinian leaders need to be held up for scrutiny.

During the last siege of Gaza, Amnesty international did a month long investigation and found no evidence at all of human shielding being used. It is a complete myth created by a state seeking moral justification for bombing children.

And Amnesty International had no political agenda that they were working to?

Of course they found no evidence.... they weren't looking for any!

Please tell us what Amnesty's agenda is Hoof, I was clearly of the mistaken belief that they were a non-partisan charity!

You won't find many right wing thinking people affiliated to them Serial.

Right wingers not caring about others shocker!

Au Contraire Nickle-arse.......

I actually do care about others, but in this case it's the Israelis/Jewish people.

Just in case any body forgot or wasn't paying attention in History classes at school, the Jews were treated pretty badly from about 1930 to 1945 by Hitler and the Nazis (and probably Stalin and his regime).

The state of Israel was created to give the Jewish people a "spiritual home" and universal agreement to this creation was sanctioned by the UN.

Since it's creation, neighbouring Arab countries have tried to wage war with Israel, but so far have got a bloody nose.

Bearing in mind the treatment Jews have experienced since 1930 is it any wonder that they are fed up with Arab aggression, do not trust Arabs and will not rule out any measures to protect their borders and population.

The Palestinians are just sh1t-stirring and deserve all the retaliation that they get from Israel when it is always them that breaks the ceasefires.

Did the History you studied in school start in 1930 and was taught by ex member of Irgun

How amusing.........

Having thought about your reply a little deeper I can say that the millions of Jews killed in the holocaust probably wouldn't find your riposte amusing.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (13 Oct 2015 10.32am)

You seem completely unaware that Jews have suffered persecution for centuries it didn’t start with the Nazis.

The treatment they suffered under Tsarist Russia caused them to flee in their millions initially to US and then with the rise of Zionism and the First and Second Aliyahs to Palestine changing the demography of the area forever.

To say the land was given to the Jewish people with universal agreement is wrong.

The fact that you acknowledge that Jews have been persecuted for centuries strengthens my argument. Their treatment by the Nazis was probably the most extreme, nearly wiping out their presence in Europe at least. Certainly that experience being so recent in history might explain their distrust of antagonistic nations and desire to hit back?

With regard to your last point - wasn't the matter debated by the UN and voted on? That suggests universal agreement to me.

Now we have established you have no historical knowledge of the region or its geopolitics. We will move on to English vocabulary go and look up the meaning of universal in a dictionary and then look up the result of the vote for General Assembly Resolution 181.

No........ we'll cease to communicate with each other because you are incapable of reasoned debate by resorting to petty sniping and insults - the classic response by those individuals that cannot rely on straightforward arguments.

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Southampton_Eagle At the after party 19 Oct 15 3.21pm
Six of one, half dozen of the other and no-one's coming out of this looking good.
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Six of one, half dozen of the other and no-one's coming out of this looking good.

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oldcodger 19 Oct 15 3.26pm
Quote Southampton_Eagle at 19 Oct 2015 3.21pm Six of one, half dozen of the other and no-one's coming out of this looking good. That's about the size of it and I don't see anything changing anytime soon.
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Quote Southampton_Eagle at 19 Oct 2015 3.21pm

Six of one, half dozen of the other and no-one's coming out of this looking good.

That's about the size of it and I don't see anything changing anytime soon.

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Hoof Hearted 19 Oct 15 3.33pm
Quote oldcodger at 19 Oct 2015 3.26pm Quote Southampton_Eagle at 19 Oct 2015 3.21pm Six of one, half dozen of the other and no-one's coming out of this looking good. That's about the size of it and I don't see anything changing anytime soon. Absolutely......... sad but true.
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Hoof Hearted 19 Oct 15 3.33pm

Quote oldcodger at 19 Oct 2015 3.26pm

Quote Southampton_Eagle at 19 Oct 2015 3.21pm

Six of one, half dozen of the other and no-one's coming out of this looking good.

That's about the size of it and I don't see anything changing anytime soon.

Absolutely......... sad but true.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Oct 15 3.56pm
Quote oldcodger at 19 Oct 2015 3.26pm Quote Southampton_Eagle at 19 Oct 2015 3.21pm Six of one, half dozen of the other and no-one's coming out of this looking good. That's about the size of it and I don't see anything changing anytime soon. I don't know, with the rocket attacks, the Israeli casualties were fairly low, and the reprisals were sufficiently heavy handed. Tactically these represent a shift towards heavier Israeli casualities and minimal opportunity to justify reprisals on a scale seen in recent times; and the only real way I can see Israel actually preventing the risk to Israeli's is to seal off whole sections of a city (Isolating in the process Israeli communities and enterprise). If the Palestinians can maintain the frequency of attack and their 'randomness' the only resolution may well be to make a deal with the Palestinians (similar to how the Palestinian Authority was created). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 19 Oct 15 3.56pm

Quote oldcodger at 19 Oct 2015 3.26pm

Quote Southampton_Eagle at 19 Oct 2015 3.21pm

Six of one, half dozen of the other and no-one's coming out of this looking good.

That's about the size of it and I don't see anything changing anytime soon.

I don't know, with the rocket attacks, the Israeli casualties were fairly low, and the reprisals were sufficiently heavy handed. Tactically these represent a shift towards heavier Israeli casualities and minimal opportunity to justify reprisals on a scale seen in recent times; and the only real way I can see Israel actually preventing the risk to Israeli's is to seal off whole sections of a city (Isolating in the process Israeli communities and enterprise).

If the Palestinians can maintain the frequency of attack and their 'randomness' the only resolution may well be to make a deal with the Palestinians (similar to how the Palestinian Authority was created).

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Oliver Bodega Bay 19 Oct 15 4.54pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 19 Oct 2015 3.17pm Quote Oliver at 19 Oct 2015 11.45am Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Oct 2015 11.08am Quote Oliver at 15 Oct 2015 11.59am Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Oct 2015 10.55am Quote Oliver at 12 Oct 2015 10.47am Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Oct 2015 3.44pm Quote nickgusset at 11 Oct 2015 11.45am Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Oct 2015 11.41am Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.37am Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Oct 2015 11.29am Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.18am Quote matt_himself at 11 Oct 2015 7.47am Quote Kermit8 at 10 Oct 2015 10.52pm Two kids shot dead by Israeli soldiers today. Here we go again. And where are the brave Palestinian leaders who direct and incite the kids into throwing stones and Molotov cocktails at IDF soldiers, who in turn fire into crowds who are physically threatening them? They are hidden in areas populated by ordinary people, knowing that Israeli bombs aimed at them will slaughter their own. They are no doubt on the phone to Riyadh and Doha, arranging more money to be sent to them to continue the 'struggle'. Blaming Israel for this is too simplistic and wrong. The Palestinian leaders need to be held up for scrutiny. During the last siege of Gaza, Amnesty international did a month long investigation and found no evidence at all of human shielding being used. It is a complete myth created by a state seeking moral justification for bombing children. And Amnesty International had no political agenda that they were working to? Of course they found no evidence.... they weren't looking for any! Please tell us what Amnesty's agenda is Hoof, I was clearly of the mistaken belief that they were a non-partisan charity! You won't find many right wing thinking people affiliated to them Serial. Right wingers not caring about others shocker! Au Contraire Nickle-arse....... I actually do care about others, but in this case it's the Israelis/Jewish people. Just in case any body forgot or wasn't paying attention in History classes at school, the Jews were treated pretty badly from about 1930 to 1945 by Hitler and the Nazis (and probably Stalin and his regime). The state of Israel was created to give the Jewish people a "spiritual home" and universal agreement to this creation was sanctioned by the UN. Since it's creation, neighbouring Arab countries have tried to wage war with Israel, but so far have got a bloody nose. Bearing in mind the treatment Jews have experienced since 1930 is it any wonder that they are fed up with Arab aggression, do not trust Arabs and will not rule out any measures to protect their borders and population. The Palestinians are just sh1t-stirring and deserve all the retaliation that they get from Israel when it is always them that breaks the ceasefires. Did the History you studied in school start in 1930 and was taught by ex member of Irgun How amusing......... Having thought about your reply a little deeper I can say that the millions of Jews killed in the holocaust probably wouldn't find your riposte amusing. Edited by Hoof Hearted (13 Oct 2015 10.32am) You seem completely unaware that Jews have suffered persecution for centuries it didn’t start with the Nazis. The treatment they suffered under Tsarist Russia caused them to flee in their millions initially to US and then with the rise of Zionism and the First and Second Aliyahs to Palestine changing the demography of the area forever. To say the land was given to the Jewish people with universal agreement is wrong. The fact that you acknowledge that Jews have been persecuted for centuries strengthens my argument. Their treatment by the Nazis was probably the most extreme, nearly wiping out their presence in Europe at least. Certainly that experience being so recent in history might explain their distrust of antagonistic nations and desire to hit back? With regard to your last point - wasn't the matter debated by the UN and voted on? That suggests universal agreement to me. Now we have established you have no historical knowledge of the region or its geopolitics. We will move on to English vocabulary go and look up the meaning of universal in a dictionary and then look up the result of the vote for General Assembly Resolution 181. No........ we'll cease to communicate with each other because you are incapable of reasoned debate by resorting to petty sniping and insults - the classic response by those individuals that cannot rely on straightforward arguments. Absolutely pathetic response Maybe you should cease posting on matters on which you have have little knowledge of or the desire to educate yourself. I have prepared one of my own time capsules. I have placed some rather large samples of dynamite, gunpowder and nitroglycerin. My time capsule is set to go off in the year 3000. It will show them what we are really like.
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Bodega Bay 19 Oct 15 4.54pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 19 Oct 2015 3.17pm

Quote Oliver at 19 Oct 2015 11.45am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Oct 2015 11.08am

Quote Oliver at 15 Oct 2015 11.59am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 Oct 2015 10.55am

Quote Oliver at 12 Oct 2015 10.47am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Oct 2015 3.44pm

Quote nickgusset at 11 Oct 2015 11.45am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Oct 2015 11.41am

Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.37am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 11 Oct 2015 11.29am

Quote serial thriller at 11 Oct 2015 11.18am

Quote matt_himself at 11 Oct 2015 7.47am

Quote Kermit8 at 10 Oct 2015 10.52pm

Two kids shot dead by Israeli soldiers today.

Here we go again.

Blaming Israel for this is too simplistic and wrong. The Palestinian leaders need to be held up for scrutiny.

And Amnesty International had no political agenda that they were working to?

Of course they found no evidence.... they weren't looking for any!

Please tell us what Amnesty's agenda is Hoof, I was clearly of the mistaken belief that they were a non-partisan charity!

You won't find many right wing thinking people affiliated to them Serial.

Right wingers not caring about others shocker!

Au Contraire Nickle-arse.......

I actually do care about others, but in this case it's the Israelis/Jewish people.

The state of Israel was created to give the Jewish people a "spiritual home" and universal agreement to this creation was sanctioned by the UN.

Since it's creation, neighbouring Arab countries have tried to wage war with Israel, but so far have got a bloody nose.

The Palestinians are just sh1t-stirring and deserve all the retaliation that they get from Israel when it is always them that breaks the ceasefires.

Did the History you studied in school start in 1930 and was taught by ex member of Irgun

How amusing.........

Having thought about your reply a little deeper I can say that the millions of Jews killed in the holocaust probably wouldn't find your riposte amusing.

Edited by Hoof Hearted (13 Oct 2015 10.32am)

You seem completely unaware that Jews have suffered persecution for centuries it didn’t start with the Nazis.

To say the land was given to the Jewish people with universal agreement is wrong.

With regard to your last point - wasn't the matter debated by the UN and voted on? That suggests universal agreement to me.

Absolutely pathetic response

Maybe you should cease posting on matters on which you have have little knowledge of or the desire to educate yourself.

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