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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 Sep 15 1.23pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Sep 2015 12.46pm

Jamie The FSA operates throughout Syria, both in urban areas and in the countryside.

There is no narrative I've read other than your own which suggests that joining it means certain death or failure.

Also, the Kurds are far from finished with fighting IS. They represent the best force at this time to join.

The FSA, and its allies really only posses two large areas of control, in the North West around Allepo, and south west near Derra. It also commands smaller pockets around the West of the capital.

Unfortunately, the FSA only really has the areas around Derra and Allepo that it could call a strong military position. The recent change of command and offensives might well re-establish the FSA, but its own previous commander Idriss didn't believe it was really capable of continuing. Its also been losing a lot of its troops over to the non-IS Islamist groups (with which its allied).

Throughout 2013 and into last year, the FSA were in a decline, and almost stalemate with the Syrian Loyalists, who largely surround them.

The Kurds seem to be fairly content with retaining rather than advancing militarily.

Whilst IS has been rampant in the East of Syria (and probably commands more territory than the other factions combined). The FSA needs its offensives this year to begin combining its areas of influence, and maybe to draw the Kurdish groups into the war on their side.

But of all the factions, the only really viable one for the US and UK to support would be the Kurds who are suitable organized, unlikely to end up on 'the other side' and in possession of the capacity to engage the enemy.


 


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In fact I don't want an extra large body of religious people making a life here if I'm honest. That goes for any religion. I'd prefer this country to increase its secular majority not look to increase it.....Religious families breed more than secular ones.

If I were taking from the camps you'd be getting secularists first and 'cultural' Muslims rather than the Islamic versions of Holy Joes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2015 7.10am)


No one does if they're honest Stirling.

They will not "integrate" with our society, but attach themselves to muslim communities already here causing more racial tension as they apply for more and more Mosques to be built and Halal style slaughter houses.

How many terrorists are hiding amongst these refugees waiting their chance to gain entry to the UK?

I'd rather we carried on with Cameron's plan. Give more financial aid to the established camps around Syria and then tighten our border controls across Europe before coming up with a UN approved plan to defeat IS and any other threat to modern day peace, so that these people can return to their own homes.

How many white British belong to crackpot organisations such as Britain first? Should we say all white British people are racist?


Are these white people relocating to pakistan settling in one crowded area and insisting on being allowed to build cathedrals and non halal slaughterhouses?


No they're moving to places like Nerja in southern Spain and creating Brit enclaves

That is a really lazy,and wrong thing to say.
Yes lots of brits move to spain and become insular with other ex-pats.
But far more totally intergrate,I did when I moved there back in 2000.
And the otherpoint being is culture,we are far more alligned to the spanish culture than we are to Muslim culture.
So it is way off the mark to compare the two.

 


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What has the Financial Services Authority got to do with all this?

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In fact I don't want an extra large body of religious people making a life here if I'm honest. That goes for any religion. I'd prefer this country to increase its secular majority not look to increase it.....Religious families breed more than secular ones.

If I were taking from the camps you'd be getting secularists first and 'cultural' Muslims rather than the Islamic versions of Holy Joes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2015 7.10am)


No one does if they're honest Stirling.

They will not "integrate" with our society, but attach themselves to muslim communities already here causing more racial tension as they apply for more and more Mosques to be built and Halal style slaughter houses.

How many terrorists are hiding amongst these refugees waiting their chance to gain entry to the UK?

I'd rather we carried on with Cameron's plan. Give more financial aid to the established camps around Syria and then tighten our border controls across Europe before coming up with a UN approved plan to defeat IS and any other threat to modern day peace, so that these people can return to their own homes.

How many white British belong to crackpot organisations such as Britain first? Should we say all white British people are racist?


Are these white people relocating to pakistan settling in one crowded area and insisting on being allowed to build cathedrals and non halal slaughterhouses?


No they're moving to places like Nerja in southern Spain and creating Brit enclaves

That is a really lazy,and wrong thing to say.
Yes lots of brits move to spain and become insular with other ex-pats.
But far more totally intergrate,I did when I moved there back in 2000.
And the otherpoint being is culture,we are far more alligned to the spanish culture than we are to Muslim culture.
So it is way off the mark to compare the two.


Most of the Brits that go to Spain at least try and learn the local lingo as my two cousin did and also their families when they went there to live. They also do not try and convert the locals to other religions such as the Muslims try to do in many of countries they "swarm" to. Perhaps the British people would except Muslims more if they learnt our language and mixed with our culture more than they do now. In twenty years time Europe as we know it will cease to exist and will have many more Muslims than the native people of the countries within the union. It is quite frightening if you think hard enough about it. I thank god I will have gone to big football in the sky by then although I feel so sorry for my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren who will bear the brunt of this ludicrous mass immigration policy that is under way right now.

 


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Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Sep 2015 7.05am

In fact I don't want an extra large body of religious people making a life here if I'm honest. That goes for any religion. I'd prefer this country to increase its secular majority not look to increase it.....Religious families breed more than secular ones.

If I were taking from the camps you'd be getting secularists first and 'cultural' Muslims rather than the Islamic versions of Holy Joes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2015 7.10am)


No one does if they're honest Stirling.

They will not "integrate" with our society, but attach themselves to muslim communities already here causing more racial tension as they apply for more and more Mosques to be built and Halal style slaughter houses.

How many terrorists are hiding amongst these refugees waiting their chance to gain entry to the UK?

I'd rather we carried on with Cameron's plan. Give more financial aid to the established camps around Syria and then tighten our border controls across Europe before coming up with a UN approved plan to defeat IS and any other threat to modern day peace, so that these people can return to their own homes.

How many white British belong to crackpot organisations such as Britain first? Should we say all white British people are racist?


Are these white people relocating to pakistan settling in one crowded area and insisting on being allowed to build cathedrals and non halal slaughterhouses?


No they're moving to places like Nerja in southern Spain and creating Brit enclaves

That is a really lazy,and wrong thing to say.
Yes lots of brits move to spain and become insular with other ex-pats.
But far more totally intergrate,I did when I moved there back in 2000.
And the otherpoint being is culture,we are far more alligned to the spanish culture than we are to Muslim culture.
So it is way off the mark to compare the two.


Most of the Brits that go to Spain at least try and learn the local lingo as my two cousin did and also their families when they went there to live. They also do not try and convert the locals to other religions such as the Muslims try to do in many of countries they "swarm" to. Perhaps the British people would except Muslims more if they learnt our language and mixed with our culture more than they do now. In twenty years time Europe as we know it will cease to exist and will have many more Muslims than the native people of the countries within the union. It is quite frightening if you think hard enough about it. I thank god I will have gone to big football in the sky by then although I feel so sorry for my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren who will bear the brunt of this ludicrous mass immigration policy that is under way right now.


That Sumik is proberly the best post I have read on here,I doff my imaganery hat to you.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 Sep 15 4.27pm

I don't know any Muslims who don't speak English or have jobs, is that a norm or an assumption.

There is the fact of course that 81% of Muslims think of themselves as Muslim first and British second, but that's also true in countries like pakistan etc (also plenty of Christians would probably identify that they are Christian first and British second - few religious people would surrender their faith under national demands).

Apparently 83% of Muslims define themselves as being proud to be British, as opposed to 79% of the general public whilst 77% strongly identify their self with being British, as opposed to 50% of other members of the nation, whilst 82% responded that they wished to live in diverse mixed neighbourhoods, something that only 63% of non-Muslim British wanted.

Granted these are only from cited documentation on Wikipedia. But I do think there tends to be a shocking ignorance of what Islam is among people, who are determined to see only the worst elements as a definition (Or simply have decided they don't like Muslims).

Interestingly only 28% of Muslims wanted to live under Sharia law.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (24 Sep 2015 4.29pm)

 


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In fact I don't want an extra large body of religious people making a life here if I'm honest. That goes for any religion. I'd prefer this country to increase its secular majority not look to increase it.....Religious families breed more than secular ones.

If I were taking from the camps you'd be getting secularists first and 'cultural' Muslims rather than the Islamic versions of Holy Joes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2015 7.10am)


No one does if they're honest Stirling.

They will not "integrate" with our society, but attach themselves to muslim communities already here causing more racial tension as they apply for more and more Mosques to be built and Halal style slaughter houses.

How many terrorists are hiding amongst these refugees waiting their chance to gain entry to the UK?

I'd rather we carried on with Cameron's plan. Give more financial aid to the established camps around Syria and then tighten our border controls across Europe before coming up with a UN approved plan to defeat IS and any other threat to modern day peace, so that these people can return to their own homes.

How many white British belong to crackpot organisations such as Britain first? Should we say all white British people are racist?


Are these white people relocating to pakistan settling in one crowded area and insisting on being allowed to build cathedrals and non halal slaughterhouses?


No they're moving to places like Nerja in southern Spain and creating Brit enclaves

That is a really lazy,and wrong thing to say.
Yes lots of brits move to spain and become insular with other ex-pats.
But far more totally intergrate,I did when I moved there back in 2000.
And the otherpoint being is culture,we are far more alligned to the spanish culture than we are to Muslim culture.
So it is way off the mark to compare the two.


Most of the Brits that go to Spain at least try and learn the local lingo as my two cousin did and also their families when they went there to live. They also do not try and convert the locals to other religions such as the Muslims try to do in many of countries they "swarm" to. Perhaps the British people would except Muslims more if they learnt our language and mixed with our culture more than they do now. In twenty years time Europe as we know it will cease to exist and will have many more Muslims than the native people of the countries within the union. It is quite frightening if you think hard enough about it. I thank god I will have gone to big football in the sky by then although I feel so sorry for my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren who will bear the brunt of this ludicrous mass immigration policy that is under way right now.


We have forced conversions on countless countries to Christianity in the past to be fair.

 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Sep 2015 4.27pm

I don't know any Muslims who don't speak English or have jobs, is that a norm or an assumption.

There is the fact of course that 81% of Muslims think of themselves as Muslim first and British second, but that's also true in countries like pakistan etc (also plenty of Christians would probably identify that they are Christian first and British second - few religious people would surrender their faith under national demands).

Apparently 83% of Muslims define themselves as being proud to be British, as opposed to 79% of the general public whilst 77% strongly identify their self with being British, as opposed to 50% of other members of the nation, whilst 82% responded that they wished to live in diverse mixed neighbourhoods, something that only 63% of non-Muslim British wanted.

Granted these are only from cited documentation on Wikipedia. But I do think there tends to be a shocking ignorance of what Islam is among people, who are determined to see only the worst elements as a definition (Or simply have decided they don't like Muslims).

Interestingly only 28% of Muslims wanted to live under Sharia law.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (24 Sep 2015 4.29pm)

Where have you got these stats from Jamie,As an ex cab driver I have worked with hundreds of Muslims,and not one of them lived in other communities(as in mixed in other circles) other than other muslims.
Not saying that is right or wrong,just disputed you're figures.
And why we are at it 28% is over a quarter of british muslims would live under Sharia law...that's a lot.


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In fact I don't want an extra large body of religious people making a life here if I'm honest. That goes for any religion. I'd prefer this country to increase its secular majority not look to increase it.....Religious families breed more than secular ones.

If I were taking from the camps you'd be getting secularists first and 'cultural' Muslims rather than the Islamic versions of Holy Joes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2015 7.10am)


No one does if they're honest Stirling.

They will not "integrate" with our society, but attach themselves to muslim communities already here causing more racial tension as they apply for more and more Mosques to be built and Halal style slaughter houses.

How many terrorists are hiding amongst these refugees waiting their chance to gain entry to the UK?

I'd rather we carried on with Cameron's plan. Give more financial aid to the established camps around Syria and then tighten our border controls across Europe before coming up with a UN approved plan to defeat IS and any other threat to modern day peace, so that these people can return to their own homes.

How many white British belong to crackpot organisations such as Britain first? Should we say all white British people are racist?


Are these white people relocating to pakistan settling in one crowded area and insisting on being allowed to build cathedrals and non halal slaughterhouses?


No they're moving to places like Nerja in southern Spain and creating Brit enclaves

That is a really lazy,and wrong thing to say.
Yes lots of brits move to spain and become insular with other ex-pats.
But far more totally intergrate,I did when I moved there back in 2000.
And the otherpoint being is culture,we are far more alligned to the spanish culture than we are to Muslim culture.
So it is way off the mark to compare the two.


Most of the Brits that go to Spain at least try and learn the local lingo as my two cousin did and also their families when they went there to live. They also do not try and convert the locals to other religions such as the Muslims try to do in many of countries they "swarm" to. Perhaps the British people would except Muslims more if they learnt our language and mixed with our culture more than they do now. In twenty years time Europe as we know it will cease to exist and will have many more Muslims than the native people of the countries within the union. It is quite frightening if you think hard enough about it. I thank god I will have gone to big football in the sky by then although I feel so sorry for my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren who will bear the brunt of this ludicrous mass immigration policy that is under way right now.


We have forced conversions on countless countries to Christianity in the past to be fair.


In the dark ages maybe Kermit.Hello it is the 21st century.

 


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In fact I don't want an extra large body of religious people making a life here if I'm honest. That goes for any religion. I'd prefer this country to increase its secular majority not look to increase it.....Religious families breed more than secular ones.

If I were taking from the camps you'd be getting secularists first and 'cultural' Muslims rather than the Islamic versions of Holy Joes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2015 7.10am)


No one does if they're honest Stirling.

They will not "integrate" with our society, but attach themselves to muslim communities already here causing more racial tension as they apply for more and more Mosques to be built and Halal style slaughter houses.

How many terrorists are hiding amongst these refugees waiting their chance to gain entry to the UK?

I'd rather we carried on with Cameron's plan. Give more financial aid to the established camps around Syria and then tighten our border controls across Europe before coming up with a UN approved plan to defeat IS and any other threat to modern day peace, so that these people can return to their own homes.

How many white British belong to crackpot organisations such as Britain first? Should we say all white British people are racist?


Are these white people relocating to pakistan settling in one crowded area and insisting on being allowed to build cathedrals and non halal slaughterhouses?


No they're moving to places like Nerja in southern Spain and creating Brit enclaves

That is a really lazy,and wrong thing to say.
Yes lots of brits move to spain and become insular with other ex-pats.
But far more totally intergrate,I did when I moved there back in 2000.
And the otherpoint being is culture,we are far more alligned to the spanish culture than we are to Muslim culture.
So it is way off the mark to compare the two.


Most of the Brits that go to Spain at least try and learn the local lingo as my two cousin did and also their families when they went there to live. They also do not try and convert the locals to other religions such as the Muslims try to do in many of countries they "swarm" to. Perhaps the British people would except Muslims more if they learnt our language and mixed with our culture more than they do now. In twenty years time Europe as we know it will cease to exist and will have many more Muslims than the native people of the countries within the union. It is quite frightening if you think hard enough about it. I thank god I will have gone to big football in the sky by then although I feel so sorry for my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren who will bear the brunt of this ludicrous mass immigration policy that is under way right now.


We have forced conversions on countless countries to Christianity in the past to be fair.

Hundreds of years ago when peasants ruled the world....we are talking modern day here and we are not so stupid.......OR ARE WE??

 


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Fight when there is hope. Flee when there isn't. Mother Nature innit.

I remember the Kurds fleeing when they were up against overwhelming odds when Saddam's army/Republican Guard moved North East toward Them. They didn't have a hope. But then the West/US imposed a no-fly zone to protect them. Sorted.


Over simplified to once again suit your own agenda, the facts is WMD's or not when we went to Iraq in 2003 we saved thousands of Kurds from being gased, or murdered.


What are you on about? I am just retelling what happened before you got there.

You implied with your Sorted comment that a no fly zone "sorted" the problem. I am Pointing out, it did not as well you know.


What year are you referring to? I am talking about 1991. A million Kurds had to flee to Turkey and Iran. The Iraqi advance was stopped in its tracks when the West/US stopped their planes from entering Kurdish airspace.


I think you will find a rather large contingent of US lead british ground troops including tanks did an awful lot to stop the advance and drive it back.

 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Sep 2015 4.27pm

I don't know any Muslims who don't speak English or have jobs, is that a norm or an assumption.

There is the fact of course that 81% of Muslims think of themselves as Muslim first and British second, but that's also true in countries like pakistan etc (also plenty of Christians would probably identify that they are Christian first and British second - few religious people would surrender their faith under national demands).

Apparently 83% of Muslims define themselves as being proud to be British, as opposed to 79% of the general public whilst 77% strongly identify their self with being British, as opposed to 50% of other members of the nation, whilst 82% responded that they wished to live in diverse mixed neighbourhoods, something that only 63% of non-Muslim British wanted.

Granted these are only from cited documentation on Wikipedia. But I do think there tends to be a shocking ignorance of what Islam is among people, who are determined to see only the worst elements as a definition (Or simply have decided they don't like Muslims).

Interestingly only 28% of Muslims wanted to live under Sharia law.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (24 Sep 2015 4.29pm)

Where have you got these stats from Jamie,As an ex cab driver I have worked with hundreds of Muslims,and not one of them lived in other communities(as in mixed in other circles) other than other muslims.
Not saying that is right or wrong,just disputed you're figures.
And why we are at it 28% is over a quarter of british muslims would live under Sharia law...that's a lot.


Edited by elgrande (24 Sep 2015 4.36pm)


It will be a lot more if we do not stop this influx and swarm of people coming our way......they are out to conquer the world as they say!!!

 


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