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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Sep 15 1.23pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Sep 2015 12.46pm
Jamie The FSA operates throughout Syria, both in urban areas and in the countryside. There is no narrative I've read other than your own which suggests that joining it means certain death or failure. Also, the Kurds are far from finished with fighting IS. They represent the best force at this time to join. The FSA, and its allies really only posses two large areas of control, in the North West around Allepo, and south west near Derra. It also commands smaller pockets around the West of the capital. Unfortunately, the FSA only really has the areas around Derra and Allepo that it could call a strong military position. The recent change of command and offensives might well re-establish the FSA, but its own previous commander Idriss didn't believe it was really capable of continuing. Its also been losing a lot of its troops over to the non-IS Islamist groups (with which its allied). Throughout 2013 and into last year, the FSA were in a decline, and almost stalemate with the Syrian Loyalists, who largely surround them. The Kurds seem to be fairly content with retaining rather than advancing militarily. Whilst IS has been rampant in the East of Syria (and probably commands more territory than the other factions combined). The FSA needs its offensives this year to begin combining its areas of influence, and maybe to draw the Kurdish groups into the war on their side. But of all the factions, the only really viable one for the US and UK to support would be the Kurds who are suitable organized, unlikely to end up on 'the other side' and in possession of the capacity to engage the enemy.
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elgrande bedford 24 Sep 15 3.45pm | |
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In fact I don't want an extra large body of religious people making a life here if I'm honest. That goes for any religion. I'd prefer this country to increase its secular majority not look to increase it.....Religious families breed more than secular ones. If I were taking from the camps you'd be getting secularists first and 'cultural' Muslims rather than the Islamic versions of Holy Joes. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2015 7.10am)
They will not "integrate" with our society, but attach themselves to muslim communities already here causing more racial tension as they apply for more and more Mosques to be built and Halal style slaughter houses. How many terrorists are hiding amongst these refugees waiting their chance to gain entry to the UK? I'd rather we carried on with Cameron's plan. Give more financial aid to the established camps around Syria and then tighten our border controls across Europe before coming up with a UN approved plan to defeat IS and any other threat to modern day peace, so that these people can return to their own homes. How many white British belong to crackpot organisations such as Britain first? Should we say all white British people are racist?
That is a really lazy,and wrong thing to say.
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Stuk Top half 24 Sep 15 3.51pm | |
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What has the Financial Services Authority got to do with all this? Edited by Stuk (24 Sep 2015 3.52pm)
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 24 Sep 15 3.59pm | |
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In fact I don't want an extra large body of religious people making a life here if I'm honest. That goes for any religion. I'd prefer this country to increase its secular majority not look to increase it.....Religious families breed more than secular ones. If I were taking from the camps you'd be getting secularists first and 'cultural' Muslims rather than the Islamic versions of Holy Joes. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2015 7.10am)
They will not "integrate" with our society, but attach themselves to muslim communities already here causing more racial tension as they apply for more and more Mosques to be built and Halal style slaughter houses. How many terrorists are hiding amongst these refugees waiting their chance to gain entry to the UK? I'd rather we carried on with Cameron's plan. Give more financial aid to the established camps around Syria and then tighten our border controls across Europe before coming up with a UN approved plan to defeat IS and any other threat to modern day peace, so that these people can return to their own homes. How many white British belong to crackpot organisations such as Britain first? Should we say all white British people are racist?
That is a really lazy,and wrong thing to say.
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elgrande bedford 24 Sep 15 4.06pm | |
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In fact I don't want an extra large body of religious people making a life here if I'm honest. That goes for any religion. I'd prefer this country to increase its secular majority not look to increase it.....Religious families breed more than secular ones. If I were taking from the camps you'd be getting secularists first and 'cultural' Muslims rather than the Islamic versions of Holy Joes. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2015 7.10am)
They will not "integrate" with our society, but attach themselves to muslim communities already here causing more racial tension as they apply for more and more Mosques to be built and Halal style slaughter houses. How many terrorists are hiding amongst these refugees waiting their chance to gain entry to the UK? I'd rather we carried on with Cameron's plan. Give more financial aid to the established camps around Syria and then tighten our border controls across Europe before coming up with a UN approved plan to defeat IS and any other threat to modern day peace, so that these people can return to their own homes. How many white British belong to crackpot organisations such as Britain first? Should we say all white British people are racist?
That is a really lazy,and wrong thing to say.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Sep 15 4.27pm | |
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I don't know any Muslims who don't speak English or have jobs, is that a norm or an assumption. There is the fact of course that 81% of Muslims think of themselves as Muslim first and British second, but that's also true in countries like pakistan etc (also plenty of Christians would probably identify that they are Christian first and British second - few religious people would surrender their faith under national demands). Apparently 83% of Muslims define themselves as being proud to be British, as opposed to 79% of the general public whilst 77% strongly identify their self with being British, as opposed to 50% of other members of the nation, whilst 82% responded that they wished to live in diverse mixed neighbourhoods, something that only 63% of non-Muslim British wanted. Granted these are only from cited documentation on Wikipedia. But I do think there tends to be a shocking ignorance of what Islam is among people, who are determined to see only the worst elements as a definition (Or simply have decided they don't like Muslims). Interestingly only 28% of Muslims wanted to live under Sharia law. Edited by jamiemartin721 (24 Sep 2015 4.29pm)
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In fact I don't want an extra large body of religious people making a life here if I'm honest. That goes for any religion. I'd prefer this country to increase its secular majority not look to increase it.....Religious families breed more than secular ones. If I were taking from the camps you'd be getting secularists first and 'cultural' Muslims rather than the Islamic versions of Holy Joes. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2015 7.10am)
They will not "integrate" with our society, but attach themselves to muslim communities already here causing more racial tension as they apply for more and more Mosques to be built and Halal style slaughter houses. How many terrorists are hiding amongst these refugees waiting their chance to gain entry to the UK? I'd rather we carried on with Cameron's plan. Give more financial aid to the established camps around Syria and then tighten our border controls across Europe before coming up with a UN approved plan to defeat IS and any other threat to modern day peace, so that these people can return to their own homes. How many white British belong to crackpot organisations such as Britain first? Should we say all white British people are racist?
That is a really lazy,and wrong thing to say.
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elgrande bedford 24 Sep 15 4.36pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Sep 2015 4.27pm
I don't know any Muslims who don't speak English or have jobs, is that a norm or an assumption. There is the fact of course that 81% of Muslims think of themselves as Muslim first and British second, but that's also true in countries like pakistan etc (also plenty of Christians would probably identify that they are Christian first and British second - few religious people would surrender their faith under national demands). Apparently 83% of Muslims define themselves as being proud to be British, as opposed to 79% of the general public whilst 77% strongly identify their self with being British, as opposed to 50% of other members of the nation, whilst 82% responded that they wished to live in diverse mixed neighbourhoods, something that only 63% of non-Muslim British wanted. Granted these are only from cited documentation on Wikipedia. But I do think there tends to be a shocking ignorance of what Islam is among people, who are determined to see only the worst elements as a definition (Or simply have decided they don't like Muslims). Interestingly only 28% of Muslims wanted to live under Sharia law. Edited by jamiemartin721 (24 Sep 2015 4.29pm) Where have you got these stats from Jamie,As an ex cab driver I have worked with hundreds of Muslims,and not one of them lived in other communities(as in mixed in other circles) other than other muslims.
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elgrande bedford 24 Sep 15 4.38pm | |
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In fact I don't want an extra large body of religious people making a life here if I'm honest. That goes for any religion. I'd prefer this country to increase its secular majority not look to increase it.....Religious families breed more than secular ones. If I were taking from the camps you'd be getting secularists first and 'cultural' Muslims rather than the Islamic versions of Holy Joes. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2015 7.10am)
They will not "integrate" with our society, but attach themselves to muslim communities already here causing more racial tension as they apply for more and more Mosques to be built and Halal style slaughter houses. How many terrorists are hiding amongst these refugees waiting their chance to gain entry to the UK? I'd rather we carried on with Cameron's plan. Give more financial aid to the established camps around Syria and then tighten our border controls across Europe before coming up with a UN approved plan to defeat IS and any other threat to modern day peace, so that these people can return to their own homes. How many white British belong to crackpot organisations such as Britain first? Should we say all white British people are racist?
That is a really lazy,and wrong thing to say.
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 24 Sep 15 4.46pm | |
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In fact I don't want an extra large body of religious people making a life here if I'm honest. That goes for any religion. I'd prefer this country to increase its secular majority not look to increase it.....Religious families breed more than secular ones. If I were taking from the camps you'd be getting secularists first and 'cultural' Muslims rather than the Islamic versions of Holy Joes. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2015 7.10am)
They will not "integrate" with our society, but attach themselves to muslim communities already here causing more racial tension as they apply for more and more Mosques to be built and Halal style slaughter houses. How many terrorists are hiding amongst these refugees waiting their chance to gain entry to the UK? I'd rather we carried on with Cameron's plan. Give more financial aid to the established camps around Syria and then tighten our border controls across Europe before coming up with a UN approved plan to defeat IS and any other threat to modern day peace, so that these people can return to their own homes. How many white British belong to crackpot organisations such as Britain first? Should we say all white British people are racist?
That is a really lazy,and wrong thing to say.
Hundreds of years ago when peasants ruled the world....we are talking modern day here and we are not so stupid.......OR ARE WE??
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 24 Sep 15 4.47pm | |
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Fight when there is hope. Flee when there isn't. Mother Nature innit. I remember the Kurds fleeing when they were up against overwhelming odds when Saddam's army/Republican Guard moved North East toward Them. They didn't have a hope. But then the West/US imposed a no-fly zone to protect them. Sorted.
You implied with your Sorted comment that a no fly zone "sorted" the problem. I am Pointing out, it did not as well you know.
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 24 Sep 15 4.48pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Sep 2015 4.27pm
I don't know any Muslims who don't speak English or have jobs, is that a norm or an assumption. There is the fact of course that 81% of Muslims think of themselves as Muslim first and British second, but that's also true in countries like pakistan etc (also plenty of Christians would probably identify that they are Christian first and British second - few religious people would surrender their faith under national demands). Apparently 83% of Muslims define themselves as being proud to be British, as opposed to 79% of the general public whilst 77% strongly identify their self with being British, as opposed to 50% of other members of the nation, whilst 82% responded that they wished to live in diverse mixed neighbourhoods, something that only 63% of non-Muslim British wanted. Granted these are only from cited documentation on Wikipedia. But I do think there tends to be a shocking ignorance of what Islam is among people, who are determined to see only the worst elements as a definition (Or simply have decided they don't like Muslims). Interestingly only 28% of Muslims wanted to live under Sharia law. Edited by jamiemartin721 (24 Sep 2015 4.29pm) Where have you got these stats from Jamie,As an ex cab driver I have worked with hundreds of Muslims,and not one of them lived in other communities(as in mixed in other circles) other than other muslims.
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