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oldcodger 22 Sep 15 3.56pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Sep 2015 11.05am Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 10.43am Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Sep 2015 9.53am The voting public are more concerned about Corbyn's credentials, decision making and statesmanship. The fact that he chooses to be seen in shorts/socks and not sing the national anthem rather endorses this view of him. Bears the same relationship to statesmanship, decision making and creditionals, as putting your tackle into a dead pigs mouth to impress your mates, or smoking weed and doing lines of coke and refusing to answer questions on it when asked directly. The mistake is to assume that anything in the media about 'credibility' is actually of any value. I don't like Cameron, but I wouldn't dismiss his credentials, decision making ability or statesmanship. I just don't agree with his governments policy. It would be absurd to think anyone who's forged a career in politics to the point of becoming leader of a political party lacks any of those attributes for facile reasons. Its childish to reduce 'who you'd vote for' to superficial reasons, or for what they did in their youth or past, or decisions that are outside of the sphere of government. We should vote based on manifesto, policy and commitments made, not whether you agree with someones personal view, dress code, personal values. I'd respect someone who stood for something they believed in far more than someone who would go along with the crowd just to fit in. NB this isn't actually aimed at you specifically, but society in general. Edited by jamiemartin721 (22 Sep 2015 10.44am) The trouble is Jamie that the majority of people do put a lot of stock on how someone appears in general rather than drilling down to the substance. It happens in the office, the pub etc..... that's why people put suits on when appearing in court... if they turned up in jeans and a ripped T shirt the judge would take an instant dislike. I don't think Corbyn has just a dowdy image to contend with. His previous associations with terrorist groups worry me more than his dress code or choice of sexual partners in the past. Bringing up superficial aspects of a public person from a "this isn't me saying it, it's what others will think and say" angle, is as much a tactic as it is an observation. It doesn't stop you being wrong though of course and many people will be doing this with Dave from now on, since it trumps the obsession Ed's bacon sandwich that had people in such an excitable state. The press know this will stick with Dave. They're broadly to the right but sensationalism is never far away and once the election is over, it's 'back to what we're good at'. Corbyn doesn't have as high a profile and there's only so much mileage to be gained from slagging off his socks five years before an election he likely won't even be part of. Dave will be weakened by these rumours and it's clearly an attempt to get him out of the way sooner rather than later. Osbourne was genuinely struggling not to laugh when asked about piggate yesterday. I very much doubt Dave finds it particularly funny. Edited by oldcodger (22 Sep 2015 3.58pm)
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22 Sep 15 3.56pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Sep 2015 11.05am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 10.43am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Sep 2015 9.53am
The voting public are more concerned about Corbyn's credentials, decision making and statesmanship. The fact that he chooses to be seen in shorts/socks and not sing the national anthem rather endorses this view of him.

Bears the same relationship to statesmanship, decision making and creditionals, as putting your tackle into a dead pigs mouth to impress your mates, or smoking weed and doing lines of coke and refusing to answer questions on it when asked directly.

The mistake is to assume that anything in the media about 'credibility' is actually of any value. I don't like Cameron, but I wouldn't dismiss his credentials, decision making ability or statesmanship. I just don't agree with his governments policy.

It would be absurd to think anyone who's forged a career in politics to the point of becoming leader of a political party lacks any of those attributes for facile reasons.

Its childish to reduce 'who you'd vote for' to superficial reasons, or for what they did in their youth or past, or decisions that are outside of the sphere of government.

We should vote based on manifesto, policy and commitments made, not whether you agree with someones personal view, dress code, personal values. I'd respect someone who stood for something they believed in far more than someone who would go along with the crowd just to fit in.

NB this isn't actually aimed at you specifically, but society in general.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (22 Sep 2015 10.44am)

The trouble is Jamie that the majority of people do put a lot of stock on how someone appears in general rather than drilling down to the substance. It happens in the office, the pub etc..... that's why people put suits on when appearing in court... if they turned up in jeans and a ripped T shirt the judge would take an instant dislike.

I don't think Corbyn has just a dowdy image to contend with. His previous associations with terrorist groups worry me more than his dress code or choice of sexual partners in the past.

Bringing up superficial aspects of a public person from a "this isn't me saying it, it's what others will think and say" angle, is as much a tactic as it is an observation. It doesn't stop you being wrong though of course and many people will be doing this with Dave from now on, since it trumps the obsession Ed's bacon sandwich that had people in such an excitable state.

The press know this will stick with Dave. They're broadly to the right but sensationalism is never far away and once the election is over, it's 'back to what we're good at'. Corbyn doesn't have as high a profile and there's only so much mileage to be gained from slagging off his socks five years before an election he likely won't even be part of. Dave will be weakened by these rumours and it's clearly an attempt to get him out of the way sooner rather than later. Osbourne was genuinely struggling not to laugh when asked about piggate yesterday. I very much doubt Dave finds it particularly funny.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Sep 15 4.02pm
I think with these things its best, at least in my life, to own it, make it your own. Of course I'm not a politician, but if you get drunk and take a s**t out of someones window, its better to own it, than let it own you. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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I think with these things its best, at least in my life, to own it, make it your own. Of course I'm not a politician, but if you get drunk and take a s**t out of someones window, its better to own it, than let it own you.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hoof Hearted 22 Sep 15 4.58pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 12.47pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Sep 2015 11.05am Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 10.43am Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Sep 2015 9.53am The voting public are more concerned about Corbyn's credentials, decision making and statesmanship. The fact that he chooses to be seen in shorts/socks and not sing the national anthem rather endorses this view of him. Bears the same relationship to statesmanship, decision making and creditionals, as putting your tackle into a dead pigs mouth to impress your mates, or smoking weed and doing lines of coke and refusing to answer questions on it when asked directly. The mistake is to assume that anything in the media about 'credibility' is actually of any value. I don't like Cameron, but I wouldn't dismiss his credentials, decision making ability or statesmanship. I just don't agree with his governments policy. It would be absurd to think anyone who's forged a career in politics to the point of becoming leader of a political party lacks any of those attributes for facile reasons. Its childish to reduce 'who you'd vote for' to superficial reasons, or for what they did in their youth or past, or decisions that are outside of the sphere of government. We should vote based on manifesto, policy and commitments made, not whether you agree with someones personal view, dress code, personal values. I'd respect someone who stood for something they believed in far more than someone who would go along with the crowd just to fit in. NB this isn't actually aimed at you specifically, but society in general. Edited by jamiemartin721 (22 Sep 2015 10.44am) The trouble is Jamie that the majority of people do put a lot of stock on how someone appears in general rather than drilling down to the substance. It happens in the office, the pub etc..... that's why people put suits on when appearing in court... if they turned up in jeans and a ripped T shirt the judge would take an instant dislike. I don't think Corbyn has just a dowdy image to contend with. His previous associations with terrorist groups worry me more than his dress code or choice of sexual partners in the past. Yeah, but you'd never actually vote Labour anyhow. Never have... never will!
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Hoof Hearted 22 Sep 15 4.58pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 12.47pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Sep 2015 11.05am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 10.43am

It would be absurd to think anyone who's forged a career in politics to the point of becoming leader of a political party lacks any of those attributes for facile reasons.

Its childish to reduce 'who you'd vote for' to superficial reasons, or for what they did in their youth or past, or decisions that are outside of the sphere of government.

NB this isn't actually aimed at you specifically, but society in general.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (22 Sep 2015 10.44am)

I don't think Corbyn has just a dowdy image to contend with. His previous associations with terrorist groups worry me more than his dress code or choice of sexual partners in the past.

Yeah, but you'd never actually vote Labour anyhow.

Never have... never will!

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oldcodger 22 Sep 15 5.21pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 4.02pm I think with these things its best, at least in my life, to own it, make it your own. Of course I'm not a politician, but if you get drunk and take a s**t out of someones window, its better to own it, than let it own you. I definitely agree with this. It puts you in a more powerful position and makes it less of an achilles heel to say 'I messed up'. It's probably different here on account that regardless of whether Cameron did this or not, due to his position, it's not really something he can ever admit to. If it keeps dragging on, he'll just say it's rubbish and that we should be concentrating on more pressing issues, rather than trivialities. He's right of course but unfortunately with rumours like this, once you've heard them you don't forget them.
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22 Sep 15 5.21pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 4.02pm

I definitely agree with this. It puts you in a more powerful position and makes it less of an achilles heel to say 'I messed up'. It's probably different here on account that regardless of whether Cameron did this or not, due to his position, it's not really something he can ever admit to.

If it keeps dragging on, he'll just say it's rubbish and that we should be concentrating on more pressing issues, rather than trivialities. He's right of course but unfortunately with rumours like this, once you've heard them you don't forget them.

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sa_eagle Just outside Cape Town 22 Sep 15 5.42pm
Saw this and thought it was funny Attachment: Crackling.jpg (34.48Kb) Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!
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Just outside Cape Town 22 Sep 15 5.42pm

Saw this and thought it was funny

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Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!

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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 22 Sep 15 6.02pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 4.02pm I think with these things its best, at least in my life, to own it, make it your own. Of course I'm not a politician, but if you get drunk and take a s**t out of someones window, its better to own it, than let it own you. Agreed. Rooney pretty much stopped all the attention re- his 'knockout in the kitchen moment' the minute he celebrated scoring by replicating the event. Maybe 'Dave' should follow his lead? Time to move forward together.
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Alphabettispaghetti 22 Sep 15 6.02pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 4.02pm

I think with these things its best, at least in my life, to own it, make it your own. Of course I'm not a politician, but if you get drunk and take a s**t out of someones window, its better to own it, than let it own you.

Agreed.
Rooney pretty much stopped all the attention re- his 'knockout in the kitchen moment' the minute he celebrated scoring by replicating the event.

Maybe 'Dave' should follow his lead?

Time to move forward together.

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Mr Palaceman 23 Sep 15 4.16am
Quote Stuk at 21 Sep 2015 4.23pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Sep 2015 4.11pm Quote Stuk at 21 Sep 2015 3.59pm Allegations become embellished, embellished allegations become facts... Grow up people. The people wetting their pants about this wouldn't believe a word Ashcroft had said before these "revelations". I wouldn't consider it pant wetting stuff. Its always been clear that David Cameron had a history with both cocaine and cannabis. Adds a bit of colour and character to the candidate to know that they actually had a life before the PR Spin Machine turned them into a popularity operated slot machine. All this 'moral superior carbon copy Christian society approved family values friendly' politics is a load of horrible banal bollocks. You haven't but plenty of others seemingly have. Other than their political decisions I couldn't give a f* what they get up to. And certainly not before they were even in politics/public life. I often hear this excuse when it comes to people in public life. You can't separate the decisions a man makes from the man himself. It's your character that determines the decisions you make. How can I respect, vote for or even like a man who is so weak minded as to be goaded into putting his p** in an animal. I could never trust someone like that with the welfare of the country. When it comes to politicians having affairs etc, if a man can go home to his wife and family and lie to those who are closest to him, how can he then be expected to tell the truth to people he doesn't even know. And we complain about politicians saying whatever it takes for power. The country we live in reflects those we put in power. "Attitude reflects leadership". When we vote for these characters, we may as well put ourselves in the position of the pig. "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel
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Quote Stuk at 21 Sep 2015 4.23pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 21 Sep 2015 4.11pm

Quote Stuk at 21 Sep 2015 3.59pm

Allegations become embellished, embellished allegations become facts...

Grow up people.

The people wetting their pants about this wouldn't believe a word Ashcroft had said before these "revelations".

I wouldn't consider it pant wetting stuff. Its always been clear that David Cameron had a history with both cocaine and cannabis. Adds a bit of colour and character to the candidate to know that they actually had a life before the PR Spin Machine turned them into a popularity operated slot machine.

All this 'moral superior carbon copy Christian society approved family values friendly' politics is a load of horrible banal bollocks.

You haven't but plenty of others seemingly have.

Other than their political decisions I couldn't give a f*** what they get up to. And certainly not before they were even in politics/public life.

I often hear this excuse when it comes to people in public life.

You can't separate the decisions a man makes from the man himself. It's your character that determines the decisions you make.

How can I respect, vote for or even like a man who is so weak minded as to be goaded into putting his p**** in an animal.

I could never trust someone like that with the welfare of the country.

When it comes to politicians having affairs etc, if a man can go home to his wife and family and lie to those who are closest to him, how can he then be expected to tell the truth to people he doesn't even know.

And we complain about politicians saying whatever it takes for power.

The country we live in reflects those we put in power. "Attitude reflects leadership".

When we vote for these characters, we may as well put ourselves in the position of the pig.

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

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Johnny Eagles berlin 23 Sep 15 9.35am
Sorry if this has already been said (not been on here for a while) but: I would rather stick my Johnson in a dead pig's head than in Diane Abbott. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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berlin 23 Sep 15 9.35am

Sorry if this has already been said (not been on here for a while) but:

I would rather stick my Johnson in a dead pig's head than in Diane Abbott.

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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dannyb1 Chichester 23 Sep 15 9.42am
Quote -TUX- at 22 Sep 2015 6.02pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 4.02pm I think with these things its best, at least in my life, to own it, make it your own. Of course I'm not a politician, but if you get drunk and take a s**t out of someones window, its better to own it, than let it own you. Agreed. Rooney pretty much stopped all the attention re- his 'knockout in the kitchen moment' the minute he celebrated scoring by replicating the event. Maybe 'Dave' should follow his lead? I can see it now, Cameron sitting in a big black leather chair (the ones with the brass studs) dabbing some potent shatter with supertramp flamming in his ears while letting a pig suck him off on a live broadcast outside number 10. That should shut them up.
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Chichester 23 Sep 15 9.42am

Quote -TUX- at 22 Sep 2015 6.02pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 4.02pm

Agreed.
Rooney pretty much stopped all the attention re- his 'knockout in the kitchen moment' the minute he celebrated scoring by replicating the event.

Maybe 'Dave' should follow his lead?

I can see it now, Cameron sitting in a big black leather chair (the ones with the brass studs) dabbing some potent shatter with supertramp flamming in his ears while letting a pig suck him off on a live broadcast outside number 10.

That should shut them up.

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 23 Sep 15 9.45am
Quote Johnny Eagles at 23 Sep 2015 9.35am Sorry if this has already been said (not been on here for a while) but: I would rather stick my Johnson in a dead pig's head than in Diane Abbott. Do keep up, I said it aaaaaages ago, but all those loony lefty vegans disagreed. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 23 Sep 2015 9.35am

Sorry if this has already been said (not been on here for a while) but:

I would rather stick my Johnson in a dead pig's head than in Diane Abbott.

Do keep up, I said it aaaaaages ago, but all those loony lefty vegans disagreed.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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DanH SW2 23 Sep 15 9.51am
Quote We are goin up! at 23 Sep 2015 9.45am Quote Johnny Eagles at 23 Sep 2015 9.35am Sorry if this has already been said (not been on here for a while) but: I would rather stick my Johnson in a dead pig's head than in Diane Abbott. Do keep up, I said it aaaaaages ago, but all those loony lefty vegans disagreed. Racists.
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SW2 23 Sep 15 9.51am

Quote We are goin up! at 23 Sep 2015 9.45am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 23 Sep 2015 9.35am

Sorry if this has already been said (not been on here for a while) but:

I would rather stick my Johnson in a dead pig's head than in Diane Abbott.

Do keep up, I said it aaaaaages ago, but all those loony lefty vegans disagreed.

Racists.

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Johnny Eagles berlin 23 Sep 15 11.21am
Quote We are goin up! at 23 Sep 2015 9.45am Quote Johnny Eagles at 23 Sep 2015 9.35am Sorry if this has already been said (not been on here for a while) but: I would rather stick my Johnson in a dead pig's head than in Diane Abbott. Do keep up, I said it aaaaaages ago, but all those loony lefty vegans disagreed. I thought it had probably already been said (hence the pre-amble) but couldn't be bothered to wade through 8 pages to find out. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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berlin 23 Sep 15 11.21am

Quote We are goin up! at 23 Sep 2015 9.45am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 23 Sep 2015 9.35am

Sorry if this has already been said (not been on here for a while) but:

I would rather stick my Johnson in a dead pig's head than in Diane Abbott.

Do keep up, I said it aaaaaages ago, but all those loony lefty vegans disagreed.

I thought it had probably already been said (hence the pre-amble) but couldn't be bothered to wade through 8 pages to find out.

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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