That links to a page from 2008, hardly relevant to what is happening now.

Even so, it says:

On Wednesday, Palestinian gunmen used land mines to blast down the border partition so Gazans could escape an Israeli closure imposed last week that was making food, fuel and other goods scarce. Tens of thousands of Gazans have rushed into Egypt without any border controls.

Egyptian officials said the border would eventually "return to normal."

That happened because Israel closed the border and Palestinians were desperate. You or I would do the same if we lived under the harsh conditions Israel imposes on Gaza.

"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
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The only way to solve this once and for all is to have the two state solution with the 1947 borders. Until the yanks feck off and allow democracy in the region it will be chaos. When you keep people down and keep murdering them, they will continue to revolt.

If only they had oil.

We'll never die

Israel is a democracy and has been since it was created in 1948.

The countries surrounding have histories of dictatorships and very iffy democratic processes. Yes, the west interferred and to the detriment of everybody. (though the idea that the oppositions weren't already strong is rubbish). However the tradition of dictatorships in Arab countries is very strong....Thankfully we are starting to see a change.

A return to the initial UN 1947 border is impossible now. The population is too big. The Arabs decided to fight and lost....And kept on losing despite out numbering Israel massively.

A return to 1967 is a possible compromise. The illegal settlements have to be torn down, the capital has to be shared....There is really no other solution. That solution still won't bring peace but it would at least (with compensation and a limited right of return) right a small amount of the original unfairness.

The Clinton deal is the only show in town....And it was a disaster when it failed and a victory for extremists. Now there is only the obsession with total victory, which will always bring with it the murder of innocents on both sides.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2012 1.15am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

From my own sources, i think what Stirling says is quite correct regarding what Churchill proposed.

I stumbled on this video yesterday, of a witness statement by an ex-Israeli soldier

[Link]

It's worth taking the time to look at, in spite of the fact it was linked to a David Icke site.
There seem to be many parallels between the Northern Ireland conflict and what is taking place with the Palaestinians and Israel (without the land-grabbing)

Ultimately, the soldier highlights everyday problems with the situation, and how difficult getting a peaceful settlement will be. Violence has entrenched people's opinions.

I recall an ex-British paratropper telling me how soldiers took milk from the doorsteps of Catholic houses, and how they took pleasure in raiding Catholic houses, and just helping themselves to goods from Catholic shops.
the most likely scenario is a return to 1967 boundaries, but the difficulty lies in negotiations.

Only this morning Israel has shelled more Palestinian areas, killing scores, even as a ceasefire was being negotiated
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I disengage, I turn the page.

The latest link is from May 2011, so slightly more relevant to now, but is from Fox News, the most right-wing and biased media outlet in the known universe.

For a more balanced view, have a look at this, published in June 2012 by the UN: Five Years of Blockade: The Humanitarian Situation in the Gaza Strip [Link]

And this from October 2011: Humanitarian Situation in the Gaza Strip Fact Sheet [Link]

Edited by Seth (21 Nov 2012 9.52am)

"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
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You're entitled to your view of course but you probably won't be surprised to hear I don't agree with it.

Israel imposes inhuman and barbaric conditions on Gaza and is responsible for the catastrophic humanitarian situation there. It's no surprise Gazans support an organisation committed to resisting Israeli aggression by whatever means they have at their disposal.

Israel is in repeated breach of international law and is only able to behave the way they do due to the unwavering support of the biggest bully in the playground, the US.

Until big bully and little bully realise they cannot beat the Palestinians into submission by military and coercive means, the situation will not improve for Palestinians under occupation or Israelis at risk from rocket fire, and the wider region will remain dangerously unstable.

"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
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