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PalazioVecchio south pole 20 Jan 23 2.46pm | |
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and here we have the ugly hard-right that the Left have warned us all about. Caution , do not view such hardcore matter at your workplace.
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The groover Danbury 20 Jan 23 3.06pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
UK is only G7 country with smaller economy than before Covid-19 and lowest economic growth. In 2022 UK GDP was only behind Ireland, Norway and Spain in Europe. We were slightly ahead of the USA and ahead of France and Germany. Not sure where you got this information but its inaccurate.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 20 Jan 23 3.57pm | |
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Originally posted by The groover
In 2022 UK GDP was only behind Ireland, Norway and Spain in Europe. We were slightly ahead of the USA and ahead of France and Germany. Not sure where you got this information but its inaccurate. I'm assuming you mean GDP growth - Ireland, Norway and Spain certainly aren't the European leaders in GDP. What they are, along with us, are the countries whose GDP took the biggest hammering in 2020, and so having bigger growth was always likely. We have the lowest forecast in the G7 for growth this year.
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cryrst The garden of England 20 Jan 23 6.47pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I'm assuming you mean GDP growth - Ireland, Norway and Spain certainly aren't the European leaders in GDP. What they are, along with us, are the countries whose GDP took the biggest hammering in 2020, and so having bigger growth was always likely. We have the lowest forecast in the G7 for growth this year. Is that a forecast by the same people who forecast a higher inflation rate which has actually dropped ? Edited by cryrst (20 Jan 2023 6.48pm)
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HKOwen Hong Kong 20 Jan 23 10.34pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Is that a forecast by the same people who forecast a higher inflation rate which has actually dropped ? Edited by cryrst (20 Jan 2023 6.48pm) Indeed, it's difficult to plan when almost all forecasts on which policies are made are wrong, OBR being a prime culprit, BoE also. When facts don't suit your narrative then switch to non facts i.e forecasts
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Badger11 Beckenham 22 Jan 23 9.45am | |
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Black people who live in San Francisco to get $5m compensation. This looks like it might really happen. Of course how the city will pay for this isn't addressed, other minorities have already said #MeToo. Gotta luv the left.
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Stirlingsays 22 Jan 23 10.27am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Black people who live in San Francisco to get m compensation. This looks like it might really happen. Of course how the city will pay for this isn't addressed, other minorities have already said #MeToo. Gotta luv the left. It does amuse me somewhat. Still, the looney left will always look for ways to reward their supporters and voters. Whereas the mainstream right give their supporters basically nothing and try to get the left to like them.....which produces some of the most cringe worthy and self defeating spectacles out there. Perhaps, in that respect, it's sometimes also the looney right.....Still at least the right tend to not want to dress boys in dresses and applaud when some troubled teenager says she wants to cut her t1ts off.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 23 Jan 23 10.20am | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Indeed, it's difficult to plan when almost all forecasts on which policies are made are wrong, OBR being a prime culprit, BoE also. When facts don't suit your narrative then switch to non facts i.e forecasts So what's the alternative in decision making? Just make a blind guess? You talk about crowbarring in a catchphrase. The facts absolutely support the 'narrative' that Brexit is an economic disaster. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (23 Jan 2023 10.22am)
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HKOwen Hong Kong 23 Jan 23 12.17pm | |
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I really don't understand your post, the crowbarring part. Please let us know some facts that show Brexit is an economic disaster. For me, the Ukraine Invasion and Covid make it impossible to assess the overall economic impact of Brexit at this point in time. I would treat Northern Ireland differently as Brexit has caused real problems there, blame lies on both the UK govt and EU for this. Edited by HKOwen (23 Jan 2023 12.21pm)
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 23 Jan 23 12.47pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
I really don't understand your post, the crowbarring part. Please let us know some facts that show Brexit is an economic disaster. For me, the Ukraine Invasion and Covid make it impossible to assess the overall economic impact of Brexit at this point in time. I would treat Northern Ireland differently as Brexit has caused real problems there, blame lies on both the UK govt and EU for this. Edited by HKOwen (23 Jan 2023 12.21pm) What's the alternative to forecasting that you would prefer when making economic decisions? Of course every leaver feels it's a complete impossibility to assess the impact - it's so transparent.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 23 Jan 23 12.53pm | |
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The point is a forecast is just that, it is not a fact it's an opinion. Look forward to your examples of Brexit being an economic disaster, and Brexit was not only about economic performance. I appreciate that you believe what you are saying, but that doesn't make it so.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 23 Jan 23 1.19pm | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
The point is a forecast is just that, it is not a fact it's an opinion. Look forward to your examples of Brexit being an economic disaster, and Brexit was not only about economic performance. I appreciate that you believe what you are saying, but that doesn't make it so. You keep avoiding the question re alternatives to economic planning? I'm sure you're not suggesting just blind faith? A forecast is not fact but it is also not pulled out of thin air - it is infinitely more sensible to use the information we have to make projections than to ignore it altogether. Worse still would be to dismiss it because it hurts out feelings. It's a bit boring you're asking me to provide the examples when there are so many of them - it's also boring because you will not accept any of them because you they are projections and sticking your figures in your ears is preferable. "OBR reports that Brexit costs us £40bn a year in lost tax revenue" "The only member of the G7 with a smaller economy than before the pandemic" "The British pound has lost nearly a fifth of it's value since the EU referendum" "Research by the Centre for European Reform, a think tank, estimates that over the 18 months to June 2022, UK goods trade is 7% lower than it would have been had Britain remained in the European Union." "Researchers at the London School of Economics estimate that the variety of UK products exported to the European Union declined by 30% during the first year of Brexit. " "A British Chambers of Commerce survey of more than 1,168 businesses published this month reported that 77% said Brexit has not helped them increase sales or grow their businesses." "Brexit to reduce Britain’s output by 4% over 15 years compared to remaining in the bloc. Exports and imports are projected to be around 15% lower in the long run." "in the fourth quarter of 2021, UK goods export volumes to the European Union were 9% below 2019 levels, with imports from the European Union 18% lower. Goods exports to non-EU countries were 18% weaker than in 2019." "By the end of 2021, total goods export volumes among advanced economies had rebounded to 3% above their pre-pandemic levels, while UK goods export volumes remained about 12% weaker." "The United Kingdom “appears to have become a less trade-intensive economy, with trade as a share of GDP falling 12% since 2019, two and a half times more than in any other G7 country,” the OBR said in the March report."
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