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legaleagle Flag 23 Aug 15 4.35pm

Fair enough.Then clearly you aren't a racist.

You might or might not be a xenophobe or you might or might not be an ethnocentrist. But you wouldn't be a racist.

You don't agree with:"the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."

Based on the definition you gave,for example, you wouldn't distinguish in your view of a potential neighbour being a superior or inferior choice of neighbour just because of their race.

Edited by legaleagle (23 Aug 2015 4.39pm)

 

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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 23 Aug 15 4.39pm

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Fair enough.Then clearly you aren't a racist.

You don't agree with:"the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."

Based on the definition you gave,for example, you wouldn't distinguish in your view of a potential neighbour being a superior or inferior choice of neighbour just because of their race.

Of course not, why would I?

 


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The Judge2 Flag 23 Aug 15 4.39pm

How about this.

A cynic might say that "racism" is a term which allows the ruling classes easy access to cheap labour while at the same time fooling the working class into believing that mass immigration is a good thing for their job prospects and wages.


Since prejudice is a human condition which is presumably part of a natural selection process, like everything else in nature, it is something that we suppress for the sake of society.
In the context of Britain. There has been prejudice shown toward, and sometimes reciprocated by, virtually every other race or nationality in the World. Therefore it is no surprise that now we have members of many of those nations living here, racism is now a bigger issue than it has been before and driven by the self interest of the existing population, the migrants themselves and those wishing to make political and or financial gain from the situation.

It is a divisive issue that for me at least is more irritating because of the liberal hand wringing it produces from some quarters that any actual issue related to migrants themselves.

Edited by The Judge2 (23 Aug 2015 4.40pm)

 

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legaleagle Flag 23 Aug 15 4.43pm

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Quote legaleagle at 23 Aug 2015 4.35pm

Fair enough.Then clearly you aren't a racist.

You don't agree with:"the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."

Based on the definition you gave,for example, you wouldn't distinguish in your view of a potential neighbour being a superior or inferior choice of neighbour just because of their race.

Of course not, why would I?


No reason why you would be one.But that doesn't preclude a discussion about what might constitute a racist.The poster Derben who got red carded, for example, a while ago.He wrote some things that suggested that,unlike you,he might view a neighbour differently in terms of whether they were desirable or not based upon their race.

 

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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 23 Aug 15 4.51pm

Quote legaleagle at 23 Aug 2015 4.35pm

Fair enough.Then clearly you aren't a racist.

You might or might not be a xenophobe or you might or might not be an ethnocentrist. But you wouldn't be a racist.

You don't agree with:"the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."

Based on the definition you gave,for example, you wouldn't distinguish in your view of a potential neighbour being a superior or inferior choice of neighbour just because of their race.

Edited by legaleagle (23 Aug 2015 4.39pm)

xenophobe: "a person who fears or hates foreigners, strange customs, etc." I certainly hate some 'strange customs', genital mutilation for example. But surely one can hate 'strange customs' without hating foreigners?
ethnocentrist: (must admit I had to look this one up - is it a word made up recently at a Liberal party think-tank session?)"belief in the intrinsic superiority of the nation, culture, or group to which one belongs, often accompanied by feelings of dislike for other groups". Seems the same as 'racist' to me, and we have ruled me out on that haven't we?

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 23 Aug 15 5.27pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

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Quote Kermit8 at 23 Aug 2015 2.57pm

'Xenophobic' is ok? Good. That's just an observation of an illness of the mind and not a slur.


Is that thought policing Kermy?.....'an illness of the mind'.

A dislike of outsiders is in fact a very natural human reaction.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Aug 2015 3.10pm)


I don't think you can universalise these things at all Stirling. There are no objective rules for how humans experience and interact with reality, some are pessimistic in the face of change and difference while others embrace it.

Existentially, I believe hostility to others is flawed precisely because we fail to recognise that the individual self is an illusion, that consciousness is a collective experience and therefore we should show love and empathy towards others because these positive emotions will be reciprocated and perpetuated. Negativity breeds negativity and positivity breeds positivity, thus to bring it back to the topic of intercultural experiences, by showing a hostility towards them we are less likely to create the mutual benevolence that we all claim to desire.


? Man you do believe some guff don't you.....Put that weed away and the hippy clichés.

Flawed or not, sensible or not a dislike of outsiders is a natural human reaction. That's what I have stated.....You using words like 'hostility' is an example of someone talking about the extremes of my point.

I also take to task your implication that positivity should be preferred to negativity and that positive emotions will be reciprocated......It's nonsense....Look at the world as it is....Not how you would like it to be.....The world is run mainly by self interest. It has always been run this way as that's how human beings work.....even at the cellular level.

As for positivity or negativity.....neither should be preferred.....rationality should be the preferred approach. A balanced person understands that

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Aug 2015 5.27pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 23 Aug 15 5.34pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote leggedstruggle at 23 Aug 2015 4.51pm

xenophobe: "a person who fears or hates foreigners, strange customs, etc." I certainly hate some 'strange customs', genital mutilation for example. But surely one can hate 'strange customs' without hating foreigners?
ethnocentrist: (must admit I had to look this one up - is it a word made up recently at a Liberal party think-tank session?)"belief in the intrinsic superiority of the nation, culture, or group to which one belongs, often accompanied by feelings of dislike for other groups". Seems the same as 'racist' to me, and we have ruled me out on that haven't we?


I'm a ethnocentrist in terms of western culture, institutions of law and so on.

It isn't an insult word, though some use it like one. It's just a world describing someone's outlook on the world.....like the word egalitarian.

Most people, if they were honest probably have aspects of both of those words.

 


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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 23 Aug 15 5.39pm

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Quote leggedstruggle at 23 Aug 2015 4.51pm

xenophobe: "a person who fears or hates foreigners, strange customs, etc." I certainly hate some 'strange customs', genital mutilation for example. But surely one can hate 'strange customs' without hating foreigners?
ethnocentrist: (must admit I had to look this one up - is it a word made up recently at a Liberal party think-tank session?)"belief in the intrinsic superiority of the nation, culture, or group to which one belongs, often accompanied by feelings of dislike for other groups". Seems the same as 'racist' to me, and we have ruled me out on that haven't we?


I'm a ethnocentrist in terms of western culture, institutions of law and so on.

It isn't an insult word, though some use it like one. It's just a world describing someone's outlook on the world.....like the word egalitarian.

Most people, if they were honest probably have aspects of both of those words.

I would say nothing beats my mum's steak and kidney pudding, does that make ethnocentrist, or perhaps borderline racist/fasicst?

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 23 Aug 15 6.55pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote leggedstruggle at 23 Aug 2015 5.39pm

I would say nothing beats my mum's steak and kidney pudding, does that make ethnocentrist, or perhaps borderline racist/fasicst?

No, it just means you have a preference for what you know.

Just normal human behaviour.

An ethnocentric believes that not all cultures are equal in worth to humanity.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Aug 2015 6.56pm)

 


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legaleagle Flag 23 Aug 15 7.56pm

An ethnocentrist tends to classify and judge people very much by their ethnicity and characterise and judge people in terms of characteristics they ascribe to specific ethnicities (often negative characteristics attributed to ethnicities not their own) as opposed to the actual personal traits of an individual.It can encompass those who believe in the inherent superiority of their own ethnicity .The term has been round for over a hundred years.

Its not dissimilar to the way a lot of people used to define and judge people of another race in terms of supposed racial characteristics.But reflects a more sophisticated approach to analysis of prejudices and preferences and fear of "the other" and staying in or retreating into reassuring "similar groups",where the prejudices and preferences are based on "people who are different and come from somewhere else".It also allows for the large differences in ethnicities of people of the same race.

An example of this could be to suggest all Romanians are inherently more predisposed to criminal behaviour than another ethnic group or that all people from pakistan are inherently more pre-disposed to engage in child abuse.

An example of it is often the United States (in terms of there being an overarching US ethnicity).The United States has often thought of itself as just generally "better" than other nations.The same with say Japan at times, and Britain in days of Empire,and Confucian China.Nazi Germany being a more obvious example.

Obviously,it only applies where the individual differentiates on the basis of ethnicity,as opposed to,for example, political views,or not wanting to mix with people of any ethnicity (including one's own) who are naff, or LS' (bless him) touching example of his mum's cooking.

An ethnicity may encompass things like language,religion,customs,culture history and may be race-related.

We almost all at times have preferences for things associated with our own ethnicity (ie when I lived for a year in the US going for an ale from time to time in the local expat pub,though not to the exclusion of "breathing in" lots of US culture),its a question of degree and the extent of knee jerk negative prejudice towards people of other ethnicities.An ethnophobe would be a person with an irrational fear of people of differing ethnicity/ethnicities to them


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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 23 Aug 15 8.03pm

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An ethnocentrist tends to classify and judge people very much by their ethnicity and characterise and judge people in terms of characteristics they ascribe to specific ethnicities (often negative characteristics attributed to ethnicities not their own) as opposed to the actual personal traits of an individual.It can encompass those who believe in the inherent superiority of their own ethnicity .The term has been round for over a hundred years.

Its not dissimilar to the way a lot of people used to define and judge people of another race in terms of supposed racial characteristics.But reflects a more sophisticated approach to analysis of prejudices and preferences and fear of "the other" and staying in or retreating into reassuring "similar groups",where the prejudices and preferences are based on "people who are different and come from somewhere else".It also allows for the large differences in ethnicities of people of the same race.

An example of this could be,for example, to suggest all Romanians are inherently more predisposed to criminal behaviour than another ethnic group or that all people from pakistani are inherently more pre-disposed to engage in child abuse.

An example of it is often the United States (in terms of there being an overarching US ethnicity).The United States has often thought of itself as just generally "better" than other nations.The same with say Japan at times, and Britain in days of Empire,and Confucian China.Nazi Germany being a more obvious example.

Obviously,it only applies where the individual differentiates on the basis of ethnicity,as opposed to,for example, not wanting to mix with people who of any ethnicity who are naff or LS' (bless him) touching example of his mum's cooking.

An ethnicity may encompass things like language,religion,customs,culture history and may be race-related.

Edited by legaleagle (23 Aug 2015 7.57pm)

Whether or not Romanians and pakistanis are inherently predisposed to the behaviours you mention, they are over represented proportionally in statistics for such behaviours.

 


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legaleagle Flag 23 Aug 15 8.04pm

Not necessarily.And bear in mind I used the word "inherently".

 

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