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legaleagle Flag 18 Aug 15 9.40pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 18 Aug 2015 8.29pm

Quote legaleagle at 18 Aug 2015 7.59pm

Interesting Stirling.Why is it "nail on head" to suggest Australia has not generally been a stunning example of successful migration of people from all over the world,under a policy of multiculturalism,ie 2006 census (top nine foreign born groups other than those born in UK or New Zealand),206,000 born in China,199,000 born in Italy,159,000 Vietnam, 147,000 India,120,000 Philippines,109,000 Greece,106,00 Germany.

Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2015 8.00pm)

Legal you are amusing if nothing else.

Policies of multiculturalism create problems of social cohesion and conflict......All in the name of what? An uneasy and weird combination of lefty egalitarianism that cares nothing about the nationals of a country and an economic right wing middle class neoliberal ideology who have the money not to live with the problems their immigration levels create.....But can sure get low cost workers out of it.

A pox on all of it.


Yes,I understand you wish a pox on all of it. But you did completely avoid my example about Australia

nb.The 2012 Mapping Social Cohesion National Report there indicated 84% felt that multi culturalism "has been good for Australia".

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Aug 15 9.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote legaleagle at 18 Aug 2015 9.40pm


Yes,I understand you wish a pox on all of it. But you did completely avoid my example about Australia

nb.The 2012 Mapping Social Cohesion National Report there indicated 84% felt that multi culturalism "has been good for Australia".


Really?

The Australians are enjoying multiculturalism? Well, that's great...If we ask nicely could they take a large number of our immigrants and also those here who don't integrate well.....Thank you Australia.

It would kind of be ironic.....Considering that Australia was originally our dumping ground in the first place.

 


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legaleagle Flag 18 Aug 15 10.07pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 18 Aug 2015 9.46pm

Quote legaleagle at 18 Aug 2015 9.40pm


Yes,I understand you wish a pox on all of it. But you did completely avoid my example about Australia

nb.The 2012 Mapping Social Cohesion National Report there indicated 84% felt that multi culturalism "has been good for Australia".


Really?

The Australians are enjoying multiculturalism? Well, that's great...If we ask nicely could they take a large number of our immigrants and also those here who don't integrate well.....Thank you Australia.

It would kind of be ironic.....Considering that Australia was originally our dumping ground in the first place.

And now loads of Brits want to live in multi-cultural Australia...but unlike the old days 40 plus years ago loads can't go ..because they have points-based immigration rules that no longer are biased towards those from one particular background (Brits).It seems you are opposed to a society which has pretty strong immigration rules but practices multi culturalism overwhelmingly successfully for those who live there.


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corkery Flag Cork City 18 Aug 15 10.16pm Send a Private Message to corkery Add corkery as a friend

Have a look at this. It shows you what nationality the refugees are coming from. It's not Syria that tops the UK's list. These are facts so it's not a left or right wing bias.

[Link]

Edited by corkery (18 Aug 2015 10.16pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Aug 15 10.20pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote legaleagle at 18 Aug 2015 10.07pm

And now loads of Brits want to live in multi-cultural Australia...but unlike the old days loads can't go ..because they have points-based immigration rules that no longer are biased towards those from one particular background (Brits).It seems you are opposed to a society which has pretty strong immigration rules but practices multi culturalism overwhelmingly successfully for those who live there.

Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2015 10.11pm)

I'm don't believe in multiculturalism. I was forced to live within it growing up and I exactly what I'm talking about.

If others are happy with that lifestyle then I'm happy for them. Though I'm not sure I buy your rosy picture about Australia....But I haven't researched it.

I believe in a points based system but rather than encouraging an acceptance of multiple cultures I'm far more a supporter of integration into a host culture.

The left have lost this argument in Britain....The whole reasons that UKIP started up is because of people with views like yourself Legal.

 


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legaleagle Flag 18 Aug 15 10.21pm

quote]corkery at 18 Aug 2015 10.16pm

Have a look at this. It shows you what nationality the refugees are coming from. It's not Syria that tops the UK's list. These are facts so it's not a left or right wing bias.

[Link]

Edited by corkery (18 Aug 2015 10.16pm)

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Yes,Syria was third in the UK as a country of origin for those seeking asylum (not same as those being granted it,your link indicated that on average 45% of applications across Europe were granted).

What is noteworthy is the following from your link:

"According to the Eurostat figures in the first quarter of this year, the countries receiving the most asylum applicants were Germany at 73,120 applicants, or 32 per cent of total applicants in the EU; Hungary at 32,810 (18 per cent); Italy at 15,245 (8 per cent); France at 14,770 (8 per cent); and Sweden at 11,415 (6 per cent). These five member States together account for 80 per cent of all applicants across the EU".

So it seems we are very much not being singled out as the prime destination for those seeking asylum because of our "benefits" etc.

Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2015 10.25pm)

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 18 Aug 15 10.26pm

Quote legaleagle at 18 Aug 2015 10.21pm


quote]corkery at 18 Aug 2015 10.16pm

Have a look at this. It shows you what nationality the refugees are coming from. It's not Syria that tops the UK's list. These are facts so it's not a left or right wing bias.

[Link]

Edited by corkery (18 Aug 2015 10.16pm)


Yes,Syria was third in the UK as a country of origin for those seeking asylum (not same as those being granted it).

What is noteworthy is the following from your link:

"According to the Eurostat figures in the first quarter of this year, the countries receiving the most asylum applicants were Germany at 73,120 applicants, or 32 per cent of total applicants in the EU; Hungary at 32,810 (18 per cent); Italy at 15,245 (8 per cent); France at 14,770 (8 per cent); and Sweden at 11,415 (6 per cent). These five member States together account for 80 per cent of all applicants across the EU".

So it seems we are very much not being singled out as the prime destination for those seeking benefits because of our "benefits" etc.

Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2015 10.22pm)

To my mind, tis all scapegoating and scaremongering to deflect away from the real issues affecting us.
Immigrants-a common enemy to focus your ire.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Aug 15 10.30pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote legaleagle at 18 Aug 2015 10.21pm

So it seems we are very much not being singled out as the prime destination for those seeking asylum because of our "benefits" etc.

Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2015 10.25pm)


Who said we were the 'prime destination'.......Though a certain port in France at the moment does make your whole point slightly ridiculous.

The argument against immigration is about numbers and how it affects the lives of the poor already here....You know things like housing and infrastructure and social cohesion.

But egalitarian lefties don't really care about the British working classes.....They are all about the 'Internationale.'

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Aug 2015 10.31pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Aug 15 10.33pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

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To my mind, tis all scapegoating and scaremongering to deflect away from the real issues affecting us.
Immigrants-a common enemy to focus your ire.

Really Nick? That's what you truly believe after all the points made against immigration on Hol?

You think it's about 'scapegoating and scaremongering'?

Sometimes I feel like giving up debating.

 


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legaleagle Flag 18 Aug 15 10.33pm

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Quote legaleagle at 18 Aug 2015 10.07pm

And now loads of Brits want to live in multi-cultural Australia...but unlike the old days loads can't go ..because they have points-based immigration rules that no longer are biased towards those from one particular background (Brits).It seems you are opposed to a society which has pretty strong immigration rules but practices multi culturalism overwhelmingly successfully for those who live there.

Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2015 10.11pm)

I'm don't believe in multiculturalism. I was forced to live within it growing up and I exactly what I'm talking about.

If others are happy with that lifestyle then I'm happy for them. Though I'm not sure I buy your rosy picture about Australia....But I haven't researched it.

I believe in a points based system but rather than encouraging an acceptance of multiple cultures I'm far more a supporter of integration into a host culture.

The left have lost this argument in Britain....The whole reasons that UKIP started up is because of people with views like yourself Legal.

What you see in Australia (and I have lived there) is that IMO the multi-cultural policies,implemented in a very positive way,have led to very great overall integration generally of certainly the immigrants' kids born/reared there.

That you see so little to seemingly admire from their example is a pity,though predictable since I know and appreciate you do not believe in multi culturalism full stop.

Presumably your opposition to seeing any positives at all arising from multi-culturalism even extends to food,a clear beneficiary of the more diverse range of restaurants available to us as a result of becoming a more multi cultural society than say back in the the fifties.Do you abstain from even the occasional curry on the basis anything resulting from multi culturalism (as opposed to immigrants "integrating" by only offering trad British delights)must,by definition,be negative?


Umm Stirling, the reason UKIP started up was because of the views of people like you

Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2015 10.49pm)

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Aug 15 10.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote legaleagle at 18 Aug 2015 10.33pm

Umm Stirling, the reason UKIP started up was because of the views of people like you

That did make me smile.

I like to raise the example of Japan......A trading country that looks outwards yet tries to protect its national culture from the affects it sees in other countries.

Surveys of the Japanese people state that this is how they like it.

I respect Japan.....Though I understand that for someone like yourself you will never quite understand why they value what they value.

 


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legaleagle Flag 18 Aug 15 10.51pm

Actually Stirling,I visit Japan every year and like doing so.Helps that I'm not averse to them being of a different race,religion and ethnicity to me.

As of 2010,more than 2 million people from elsewhere lived there.

Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2015 11.03pm)

 

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