Why do you think that is?

Why, I thank you for your measured comments. It's good to see that you, at least, are not to be seen throwing around insults lol.

it is extremely difficult to have any sort of discussion with posters who show very little analytical insight but abound in prejudicial, sweeping statements.

I have, indeed looked at the Met police stats on the racial profiling of knife crime perpetrators and victims. With this, I find that the stats only refer to 'Ethic appearance' - and even then, within that Afro/Caribbean' so a blunt tool for the purposes of this discussion.

Your original, kick-off statement implied that the carnival was bound to include stabbings and violence because that is down to being Caribbean.

For the last weekend's stats on these features, we have not been given a breakdown of arrests for crimes so it's too early, anyway, to come to any conclusions on that score unless, like you, you've already made your mind up.

If it is, indeed, a fact that young men of Caribbean descent are hugely involved in knife crime and violence, I would want to look at some of the underlying causes for that.

There are some (ahem) who will be more likely to say: "Well, there you go - that's Caribbeans for you".

I'm not one of those, for all my 'stupidity'.

I would want to analyse all knife crime, in terms of schooling, the provision of free school meals, the earning capacity of the families, the education attainment. Within that, I would like to look not at @appearnace' of ethnicity but actual so that the problem can be properly analysed.

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I get so fed up with hearing "Well, that's blacks for you".

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Neither do I but reasons, underlying causes might be, indeed are, different to 'excuses'.

I'm not @complaining' about schooling but would be interested to see an analysis of such things in order to better understand underlying factors that would improve life for all of us so that we might be able to tackle the problem. ]

Actually, that was not what I said. There is no doubt in my mind that Caribbean culture, particularly Jamacian, has always been associated with drugs and gang violence. You now seem to have stopped pretending otherwise.

Clearly, and obviously to anyone sensible person, not all gang and street crime can be attributed to one demographic.
There are obviously gangs of various origins fighting over turf and drugs plus perpetrating violent organised crime, the majority of which are not of English origin.

I'm not interested in your excuses and 'underlying causes'. There is no excuse for being murdering scum. The fact you think there is tells me that we are unlikely to find common ground on this.

As a White Englishman, my perspective is one of someone who is old enough to have seen the steady decline in this country as regards criminality, mostly due to years of immigration.

It is regrettable if you take that personally.

It starts at home. I don't say this as a knee jerk I have a friend who is a social anthropologist and has spent years studying and writing books about the poor and why some groups do better than others e.g. first generation low paid jobs 2nd generation doctors / lawyers etc.

It was obvious to her studying these people in their homes that those who were aspirational had routines for their children e.g. playtime / eating / bedtime. When these kids first went to school they adjusted because they understood their days would have routine e.g. class work / school break / lunch / work / break.

The kids that had no set routine at home couldn't understand that you can't play in class and were therefore disruptive hated school had no aspiration.

All of the above can apply to any family or group not just black children and my friend actually specialised in poor white working class kids.

Never the less until people from within the back community recognised that the opportunities are there and that problems are largely of their own making and that playing the victim is self defeating...

Edited by Badger11 (31 Aug 2022 9.58am)

One more point