It's now 10 years on. He's dined out on that long enough.

Even Churchill didn't last that long after being the country's 'saviour'.

Edited by martin2412 (10 Aug 2020 10.27pm)

Everyone supporting Roy is judging him on his past performance (at Palace - not anywhere else) and saying we can keep him.

Finding a decent chairman is harder than finding a decent striker or manager. It's easy for fans to critise by just saying that Parish should spend more money. It's much easier spend other peoples money that your own. They should be judged over a number of years, not just one or two seasons.

He's taken the club from around 40th ish in the country to 15th ish, consistently with a small ground and low revenue. Burnley are the only club in with less rescources than us that consistently finish higher.

He's made mistakes, and generally come clean about them, taking on accountability. Hodgson always seems to have an excuse.

We went up with Cardiff, Hull, and Watford. Their chairmen all threw money at the club and look were they are now. Over a 10 year period we have consistently been run more efficiently and sustainably than pretty much any club of our size. Throw Brighton, QPR, Fulham, Newcastle, Leeds etc into the same mix, more backing, less success.

Meanwhile, we now have CAT 1 academy and a DoF who seems to be bringing in young tallent for the future at bargin basement prices games.

Some more food for thought, with 1 point and 3 goals in 8 games, any other manager would have been sacked. Parish seems to be sticking with him, yet the people who support Hodgson are blaming Parish for everything. Without a patient chairman who puts the long term future of the club above anything, Hodgeson wouldn't be here.

Everyone supporting Roy is judging him on his past performance (at Palace - not anywhere else) and saying we can keep him.

Finding a decent chairman is harder than finding a decent striker or manager. It's easy for fans to critise by just saying that Parish should spend more money. It's much easier spend other peoples money that your own. They should be judged over a number of years, not just one or two seasons.

He's taken the club from around 40th ish in the country to 15th ish, consistently with a small ground and low revenue. Burnley are the only club in with less rescources than us that consistently finish higher.

He's made mistakes, and generally come clean about them, taking on accountability. Hodgson always seems to have an excuse.

We went up with Cardiff, Hull, and Watford. Their chairmen all threw money at the club and look were they are now. Over a 10 year period we have consistently been run more efficiently and sustainably than pretty much any club of our size. Throw Brighton, QPR, Fulham, Newcastle, Leeds etc into the same mix, more backing, less success.

Meanwhile, we now have CAT 1 academy and a DoF who seems to be bringing in young tallent for the future at bargin basement prices games.

Some more food for thought, with 1 point and 3 goals in 8 games, any other manager would have been sacked. Parish seems to be sticking with him, yet the people who support Hodgson are blaming Parish for everything. Without a patient chairman who puts the long term future of the club above anything, Hodgeson wouldn't be here.

It was aimed at supporting Parish, and venting more of my frustrations at Roy Hodgson. I think some people may have noticed I don't like him. My personal preference is for people who wear their heart on their sleeve. Parish is slightly more likely to give a controversial answer to a question if he believes it and take accountability for his mistakes. But the polished media friendly answers to question that some think are dignified, I just find are disingenuous.

I was watching the Wolves game early and the half time analysis was an excellent example of what I hate about English Football culture. 15 minutes spent complaining about how a keeper was a couple of millimetres off his line when he comfortably saved a terrible penalty. We look to much for excuses and don't ask why it was such a terrible penalty in the first place. The trait of looking for excuses really irritates me.

Going back to Parish, I think he and Freedman are the invisible enemy. No one really knows what they do, but they are always being blamed for the teams failings. It's important to try any work out what's expected of them, should they be a magic money tree unearthing gems from round Europe. Or should they just be looking for a good deal for the club?

Yes, Roy hasnt had as much investment as BFS, but then the only manager in living memory who had a better squad to start with is Alan Smith (arguably), who got credit for taking the title in Divsion 1, before everyone realised he was crap. Then given another crack at the whip based on Simon Jordan's nostalgic view of him.

There is a flaw in my arguement that Parish has been more patient with Hodgson than I would have liked. In fairness, he showed a lot of patience with Freedman, Holloway, and Pardew. If anything, if you want Roy do stay, then Parish should be given some credit for his unusual amount of patience he's shown. I've said a few times, I'm not sure if Parish knows what to do next, which is why we seem to be treading water. Roy will keep you up but it's not a long term option. Love him or hate him, time and tide wait for no man.

I'm not sure if Parish is actually that risk adverse. Anyone investing there money into a football club cant be that risk adverse. It's a terrible investment. Millionaires are generally strange, egotistical people with a high likelihood of being narcissists.

What he appears to currently be doing is taking a gamble that Roy can keep us up on limited means, knowing that if he goes for what ever reason, then he's got a decent war chest to get us out of trouble. Probably set to one side to entice a new top manager in when that time comes. Seems like he's got a stratergy to balance risk rather than avoid it.

We really do act like a pikey club,who in there right mind would sign for us,with the way we operate,the club moaned when we lost the lad to spurs,now we are trying to stiff West Brom, our attitude is all wrong and far to penny pinching,we will only get low class loaners,and second raters if we carry on like this,and that's why we will never be an established prem team,we have to grow up in our transfer operations.

Thanks to both you and jeeagles for an interesting exchange.
The next four weeks are critical in terms of both who (if any) is brought in and when (how much pre-season they get) and how many of our own existing players will be injury-free and fit for the start of the season. There is also the question of Wilf. He may well still be here come 12th September but the transfer window will still be open. What will Hodgson do? side-line him or play him? A difficult one given all that has been said in recent weeks.

As for Parish, we need to remember that he is a passionate Palace fan and has the best interests of the club at heart. As jeeagles rightly said, it's more difficult to get a good chairman than a good manager or striker so we should be glad we have a chairman who loves the club. At the end of the day he's human and like the rest of us makes mistakes (and we should recognize the same human frailty in Hodgson and Freedman, both of whom had strong Palace connections in the past and hopefully see us as more than just another job).

Let's hope for a reasonable fixture list that will give us a chance to get off to a reasonable start as was the case last season and, of course, let's hope that some of our transfer targets actually come about!