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legaleagle 26 Sep 16 9.27am | |
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And Albania in 1492 had precisely what relative to "native" tribes...oh wait, it had a bunch of "native" "tribes"...? Be careful,or there might be those who could understand you to be dissing multiculturalism by way of the superiority of Europeans compared to "natives",which some could feel might shine a window on underlying reasons for such distaste towards multiculturalism... Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The USA had nothing but Buffalo and "native" tribes before Europeans went there. It's just not a like for like comparison.
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banbandanas Birmingham 26 Sep 16 9.44am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Love it how some project the amalgamation of different creeds and cultures as some kind of new happening foisted upon us by 'an elite' and as if things were better before. There was no before. Not since well before BC anyway. Cultures mixing - sometimes well, sometimes not so well at all - has been a constant of earth for thousands on years and will continue until humanity fades away. "the foreign born population of England and Wales more than doubled, increasing by nearly four million in the twenty years between the 1991 and 2011 censuses. It has now reached 13.4% of our population. This massive increase dwarfs the scale of any previous inflow in our history."
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matt_himself Matataland 26 Sep 16 9.48am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Love it how some project the amalgamation of different creeds and cultures as some kind of new happening foisted upon us by 'an elite' and as if things were better before. There was no before. Not since well before BC anyway. Cultures mixing - sometimes well, sometimes not so well at all - has been a constant of earth for thousands on years and will continue until humanity fades away. Bertie, I appreciate that you haven't encountered this because you live in a county where the population is over 97% white but the rate of immigration over the past decade has ruined communities. Do you not think that instead of just dumping people in places, those encouraging immigration should have done more to assist in integration of people into communities, whilst also seeking to give comfort to those living in said communities that they will not be ignored? If that had happened, Remain might have won the Referendum.
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legaleagle 26 Sep 16 9.56am | |
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Globalisation brings greater migration of populations,by definition. But,it can be interesting to do comparisons. 2013 foreign born % population : UK:12.3 Australia:27.6 (and I digress, but generally an example of the overall virtues of multi- culturalism) Austria:16.7 Belgium:15.5 Luxembourg:43.7 New Zealand:28.2 Norway 13.19 Switzerland:28.3 USA:13.1
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matt_himself Matataland 26 Sep 16 10.09am | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Globalisation brings greater migration of populations,by definition. But,it can be interesting to do comparisons. 2013 foreign born % population : UK:12.3 Australia:27.6 (and I digress, but generally an example of the overall virtues of multi- culturalism) Austria:16.7 Belgium:15.5 Luxembourg:43.7 New Zealand:28.2 Norway 13.19 Switzerland:28.3 USA:13.1 Why have you posted this? Are you trying to make a point that people criticising various governments poor (or no) action with regards to integrating immigrants into British communities can be proved wrong with the use of statistics? Edited by matt_himself (26 Sep 2016 10.10am)
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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Sep 16 10.10am | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Bertie, I appreciate that you haven't encountered this because you live in a county where the population is over 97% white but the rate of immigration over the past decade has ruined communities. Do you not think that instead of just dumping people in places, those encouraging immigration should have done more to assist in integration of people into communities, whilst also seeking to give comfort to those living in said communities that they will not be ignored? If that had happened, Remain might have won the Referendum. What has skin colour got to do with it in your head? The 800,000 Polish are white (yes, plenty of them live in Devon too) as are the 100,000's Hungarians/Czech/Spanish, etc who reside here temporarily or longer. So who are you referring to? Who is it I haven't encountered? Which group/nationality? Come on - find your backbone for a change.
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matt_himself Matataland 26 Sep 16 10.50am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
What has skin colour got to do with it in your head? The 800,000 Polish are white (yes, plenty of them live in Devon too) as are the 100,000's Hungarians/Czech/Spanish, etc who reside here temporarily or longer. So who are you referring to? Who is it I haven't encountered? Which group/nationality? Come on - find your backbone for a change. Bertie, read this: Kind of suggests that where you are living is populated by an overwhelming white, UK majority. I don't know why you cannot just accept this and stop telling people living in multicultural areas what they should do or think about having hundreds of thousands of people dumped in their communities, with little or no guidance or assistance from government on making the integration easier.
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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Sep 16 11.25am | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Bertie, read this: Kind of suggests that where you are living is populated by an overwhelming white, UK majority. I don't know why you cannot just accept this and stop telling people living in multicultural areas what they should do or think about having hundreds of thousands of people dumped in their communities, with little or no guidance or assistance from government on making the integration easier. Cape Verde Islands, Hungary, Scotland, Sweden, Ireland, India, New Zealand, Spain and Portugal: Their parents birthplace of some of our "white,Uk-ers" who reside in Teignbridge and whom we are friends and/or neighbours of. And I won't dwell on the other hundreds of thousands of incomers like myself who aren't culturally 'Devon'. We mix well down here. You wouldn't like it. Too many people with foreign blood.
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matt_himself Matataland 26 Sep 16 11.40am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Cape Verde Islands, Hungary, Scotland, Sweden, Ireland, India, New Zealand, Spain and Portugal: Their parents birthplace of some of our "white,Uk-ers" who reside in Teignbridge and whom we are friends and/or neighbours of. And I won't dwell on the other hundreds of thousands of incomers like myself who aren't culturally 'Devon'. We mix well down here. You wouldn't like it. Too many people with foreign blood. The population of your town is under 15,000. Therefore, the 5% of 'non white U.K.' residents is approximately 740. Bertie, I think it is wonderful that you know all of them personally and you exist in a real life Benetton advert/Paul McCartney & Stevie Wonder scenario. Do you dance down the streets together singing 'We will overcome' every morning, before all sitting down to Chai and listening to Ladysmith Black Mambazo? I find it heartening that this demographic gives you wide ranging experience of multiculturalism and you are able to detail all the issues forthcoming from it. Theinhabitants of similarly multicultural places, such as Rochdale, Oldham, Bradford, Luton and even the fear old Cronx, will no doubt accept that you are some sort of authoritative voice on the matter and will never think that you are patronising blowhard who appears to be suffering from middle class/middle aged guilt and wants to be the 'least racist man in the village'.
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matt_himself Matataland 26 Sep 16 11.43am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Cape Verde Islands, Hungary, Scotland, Sweden, Ireland, India, New Zealand, Spain and Portugal: Their parents birthplace of some of our "white,Uk-ers" who reside in Teignbridge and whom we are friends and/or neighbours of. And I won't dwell on the other hundreds of thousands of incomers like myself who aren't culturally 'Devon'. We mix well down here. You wouldn't like it. Too many people with foreign blood. Bertie, Scotland is part of the U.K.
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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Sep 16 11.48am | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
The population of your town is under 15,000. Therefore, the 5% of 'non white U.K.' residents is approximately 740. Bertie, I think it is wonderful that you know all of them personally and you exist in a real life Benetton advert/Paul McCartney & Stevie Wonder scenario. Do you dance down the streets together singing 'We will overcome' every morning, before all sitting down to Chai and listening to Ladysmith Black Mambazo? I find it heartening that this demographic gives you wide ranging experience of multiculturalism and you are able to detail all the issues forthcoming from it. Theinhabitants of similarly multicultural places, such as Rochdale, Oldham, Bradford, Luton and even the fear old Cronx, will no doubt accept that you are some sort of authoritative voice on the matter and will never think that you are patronising blowhard who appears to be suffering from middle class/middle aged guilt and wants to be the 'least racist man in the village'. You don't like it up you, do you? Now, before you go into complete very late teenage angst meltdown some figures for you that will cheer you up. It appears the vast majority of places in the UK are populated by over 85% of "white,UK,British" with loads of the 90% mark. Now go and have a nice cuppa and enjoy yourself a satisfied purrrr.
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matt_himself Matataland 26 Sep 16 11.56am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
You don't like it up you, do you? Now, before you go into complete very late teenage angst meltdown some figures for you that will cheer you up. It appears the vast majority of places in the UK are populated by over 85% of "white,UK,British" with loads of the 90% mark. Now go and have a nice cuppa and enjoy yourself a satisfied purrrr. What are you talking about? 'Don't like it up you'? You have delivered nothing to change my view that you are a blowhard. It is a fact Bertie that you live in one of the least multicultural places in the country. 740 'non white UK' people living there. How can you dispute this? Oh yes, inferring that I am a racist, pulling up figures that don't change the fact that you live in one of the least multicultural places in e country and pisspoor attempts at insults.
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