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johnfirewall 24 Jan 16 7.03pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Jan 2016 12.29pm Quote the silurian at 23 Jan 2016 12.23pm Quote Seth at 23 Jan 2016 12.00pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am Some rubbish written here. Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly? How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad? And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding. There is a spine down the middle of Bangla Desh that is relatively wealthy almost exclusively due to the chefs in Britain. Lots of people are setting themselves up homes for their retirement. Tell you what, let's not let them send their money back eh? Then they can be a burden on the British state in their dotage. Quite a few I'd guess. Project I'm on has people working in Romania, Germany, Luxemburg, Germany and the US. When you start to look at the UK oil industry and engineering you see a lot of off shore UK workers etc. Was a time when a lot of builders in the UK were working abroad as well. Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc. I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union. I know people working in UAE who get extremely well paid and pay no tax on that income, as long as they stay for 2+ years. Eventually they'll come home and will be very well off indeed. And why shouldn't they? That's the law/tax situation in UAE, ie you don't pay tax, the situation in UK is that you do...so ANYONE who avoids tax should be brought to book for it including Starbuck's, Vodafone and Pete the polish builder Cannot argue with anything you've said there mate. Left-wing stance is usually that things like that are insignificant in comparison with the large scale avoidance, as is benefit fraud, so only corporations or the wealthy should be punished
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24 Jan 16 7.03pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Jan 2016 12.29pm

Quote the silurian at 23 Jan 2016 12.23pm

Quote Seth at 23 Jan 2016 12.00pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am

Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am

Some rubbish written here.

Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly?

How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad?

And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding.

There is a spine down the middle of Bangla Desh that is relatively wealthy almost exclusively due to the chefs in Britain. Lots of people are setting themselves up homes for their retirement. Tell you what, let's not let them send their money back eh? Then they can be a burden on the British state in their dotage.

Quite a few I'd guess. Project I'm on has people working in Romania, Germany, Luxemburg, Germany and the US. When you start to look at the UK oil industry and engineering you see a lot of off shore UK workers etc. Was a time when a lot of builders in the UK were working abroad as well.

Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc.

I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union.

I know people working in UAE who get extremely well paid and pay no tax on that income, as long as they stay for 2+ years. Eventually they'll come home and will be very well off indeed.

And why shouldn't they? That's the law/tax situation in UAE, ie you don't pay tax, the situation in UK is that you do...so ANYONE who avoids tax should be brought to book for it including Starbuck's, Vodafone and Pete the polish builder

Cannot argue with anything you've said there mate.

Left-wing stance is usually that things like that are insignificant in comparison with the large scale avoidance, as is benefit fraud, so only corporations or the wealthy should be punished

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 24 Jan 16 7.19pm
Quote johnfirewall at 24 Jan 2016 7.03pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Jan 2016 12.29pm Quote the silurian at 23 Jan 2016 12.23pm Quote Seth at 23 Jan 2016 12.00pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am Some rubbish written here. Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly? How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad? And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding. There is a spine down the middle of Bangla Desh that is relatively wealthy almost exclusively due to the chefs in Britain. Lots of people are setting themselves up homes for their retirement. Tell you what, let's not let them send their money back eh? Then they can be a burden on the British state in their dotage. Quite a few I'd guess. Project I'm on has people working in Romania, Germany, Luxemburg, Germany and the US. When you start to look at the UK oil industry and engineering you see a lot of off shore UK workers etc. Was a time when a lot of builders in the UK were working abroad as well. Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc. I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union. I know people working in UAE who get extremely well paid and pay no tax on that income, as long as they stay for 2+ years. Eventually they'll come home and will be very well off indeed. And why shouldn't they? That's the law/tax situation in UAE, ie you don't pay tax, the situation in UK is that you do...so ANYONE who avoids tax should be brought to book for it including Starbuck's, Vodafone and Pete the polish builder Cannot argue with anything you've said there mate. Left-wing stance is usually that things like that are insignificant in comparison with the large scale avoidance, as is benefit fraud, so only corporations or the wealthy should be punished How does earning money in a country with zero income tax equate to "avoidance" of tax??? Maybe you can enlighten me?
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The garden of England.(not really) 24 Jan 16 7.19pm

Quote johnfirewall at 24 Jan 2016 7.03pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Jan 2016 12.29pm

Quote the silurian at 23 Jan 2016 12.23pm

Quote Seth at 23 Jan 2016 12.00pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am

Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am

Some rubbish written here.

Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly?

How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad?

And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding.

Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc.

I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union.

I know people working in UAE who get extremely well paid and pay no tax on that income, as long as they stay for 2+ years. Eventually they'll come home and will be very well off indeed.

Cannot argue with anything you've said there mate.

Left-wing stance is usually that things like that are insignificant in comparison with the large scale avoidance, as is benefit fraud, so only corporations or the wealthy should be punished

How does earning money in a country with zero income tax equate to "avoidance" of tax??? Maybe you can enlighten me?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jan 16 10.28am
Quote johnfirewall at 24 Jan 2016 7.03pm Left-wing stance is usually that things like that are insignificant in comparison with the large scale avoidance, as is benefit fraud, so only corporations or the wealthy should be punished Prioritised, not ignored. Benefit fraud should be pursued, but the amounts currently pale into insignificance to tax avoidance schemes etc. The only point maybe at which benefit fraud should be ignored is when it actually costs more to pursue that it gathers (there is a case to be made that many benefit frauds are committed by people to make a little extra to top up their benefits - often being exploited in the process). The interesting thing about the pursuit of benefit fraud has been that its also primarily focused on the people on benefits committing the fraud, rather than those who have been employing them. Much like illegal migrant workers, companies employing such workers have generally gotten away lightly with fines that don't even compare to the amount the company saved through employing benefit claimants and illegal workers. Responses also need to be proportional. Someone who's fraud is actually to earn 20-30 quid a week extra isn't really a problem. And these people who are topping up their benefits tend to be the people caught up in crackdowns, as opposed to those involved in whole scale defrauding of the benefits system. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote johnfirewall at 24 Jan 2016 7.03pm

Left-wing stance is usually that things like that are insignificant in comparison with the large scale avoidance, as is benefit fraud, so only corporations or the wealthy should be punished

Prioritised, not ignored. Benefit fraud should be pursued, but the amounts currently pale into insignificance to tax avoidance schemes etc. The only point maybe at which benefit fraud should be ignored is when it actually costs more to pursue that it gathers (there is a case to be made that many benefit frauds are committed by people to make a little extra to top up their benefits - often being exploited in the process).

The interesting thing about the pursuit of benefit fraud has been that its also primarily focused on the people on benefits committing the fraud, rather than those who have been employing them. Much like illegal migrant workers, companies employing such workers have generally gotten away lightly with fines that don't even compare to the amount the company saved through employing benefit claimants and illegal workers.

Responses also need to be proportional. Someone who's fraud is actually to earn 20-30 quid a week extra isn't really a problem. And these people who are topping up their benefits tend to be the people caught up in crackdowns, as opposed to those involved in whole scale defrauding of the benefits system.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jan 16 10.30am
Quote the silurian at 24 Jan 2016 7.19pm Quote johnfirewall at 24 Jan 2016 7.03pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Jan 2016 12.29pm Quote the silurian at 23 Jan 2016 12.23pm Quote Seth at 23 Jan 2016 12.00pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am Some rubbish written here. Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly? How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad? And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding. There is a spine down the middle of Bangla Desh that is relatively wealthy almost exclusively due to the chefs in Britain. Lots of people are setting themselves up homes for their retirement. Tell you what, let's not let them send their money back eh? Then they can be a burden on the British state in their dotage. Quite a few I'd guess. Project I'm on has people working in Romania, Germany, Luxemburg, Germany and the US. When you start to look at the UK oil industry and engineering you see a lot of off shore UK workers etc. Was a time when a lot of builders in the UK were working abroad as well. Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc. I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union. I know people working in UAE who get extremely well paid and pay no tax on that income, as long as they stay for 2+ years. Eventually they'll come home and will be very well off indeed. And why shouldn't they? That's the law/tax situation in UAE, ie you don't pay tax, the situation in UK is that you do...so ANYONE who avoids tax should be brought to book for it including Starbuck's, Vodafone and Pete the polish builder Cannot argue with anything you've said there mate. Left-wing stance is usually that things like that are insignificant in comparison with the large scale avoidance, as is benefit fraud, so only corporations or the wealthy should be punished How does earning money in a country with zero income tax equate to "avoidance" of tax??? Maybe you can enlighten me? It depends, are you living in that country? "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 25 Jan 16 10.30am

Quote the silurian at 24 Jan 2016 7.19pm

Quote johnfirewall at 24 Jan 2016 7.03pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Jan 2016 12.29pm

Quote the silurian at 23 Jan 2016 12.23pm

Quote Seth at 23 Jan 2016 12.00pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am

Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am

Some rubbish written here.

Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly?

How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad?

And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding.

Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc.

I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union.

I know people working in UAE who get extremely well paid and pay no tax on that income, as long as they stay for 2+ years. Eventually they'll come home and will be very well off indeed.

Cannot argue with anything you've said there mate.

Left-wing stance is usually that things like that are insignificant in comparison with the large scale avoidance, as is benefit fraud, so only corporations or the wealthy should be punished

How does earning money in a country with zero income tax equate to "avoidance" of tax??? Maybe you can enlighten me?

It depends, are you living in that country?

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 25 Jan 16 12.48pm
Quote the silurian at 23 Jan 2016 12.23pm Quote Seth at 23 Jan 2016 12.00pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am Some rubbish written here. Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly? How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad? And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding. There is a spine down the middle of Bangla Desh that is relatively wealthy almost exclusively due to the chefs in Britain. Lots of people are setting themselves up homes for their retirement. Tell you what, let's not let them send their money back eh? Then they can be a burden on the British state in their dotage. Quite a few I'd guess. Project I'm on has people working in Romania, Germany, Luxemburg, Germany and the US. When you start to look at the UK oil industry and engineering you see a lot of off shore UK workers etc. Was a time when a lot of builders in the UK were working abroad as well. Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc. I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union. I know people working in UAE who get extremely well paid and pay no tax on that income, as long as they stay for 2+ years. Eventually they'll come home and will be very well off indeed. And why shouldn't they? That's the law/tax situation in UAE, ie you don't pay tax, the situation in UK is that you do...so ANYONE who avoids tax should be brought to book for it including Starbuck's, Vodafone and Pete the polish builder You do know the difference between 'avoidance' and 'evasion', don't you? Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 25 Jan 16 12.48pm

Quote the silurian at 23 Jan 2016 12.23pm

Quote Seth at 23 Jan 2016 12.00pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am

Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am

Some rubbish written here.

Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly?

How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad?

And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding.

Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc.

I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union.

I know people working in UAE who get extremely well paid and pay no tax on that income, as long as they stay for 2+ years. Eventually they'll come home and will be very well off indeed.

You do know the difference between 'avoidance' and 'evasion', don't you?

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jan 16 1.11pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 25 Jan 2016 12.48pm Quote the silurian at 23 Jan 2016 12.23pm Quote Seth at 23 Jan 2016 12.00pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am Some rubbish written here. Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly? How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad? And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding. There is a spine down the middle of Bangla Desh that is relatively wealthy almost exclusively due to the chefs in Britain. Lots of people are setting themselves up homes for their retirement. Tell you what, let's not let them send their money back eh? Then they can be a burden on the British state in their dotage. Quite a few I'd guess. Project I'm on has people working in Romania, Germany, Luxemburg, Germany and the US. When you start to look at the UK oil industry and engineering you see a lot of off shore UK workers etc. Was a time when a lot of builders in the UK were working abroad as well. Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc. I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union. I know people working in UAE who get extremely well paid and pay no tax on that income, as long as they stay for 2+ years. Eventually they'll come home and will be very well off indeed. And why shouldn't they? That's the law/tax situation in UAE, ie you don't pay tax, the situation in UK is that you do...so ANYONE who avoids tax should be brought to book for it including Starbuck's, Vodafone and Pete the polish builder You do know the difference between 'avoidance' and 'evasion', don't you? About 2-3 years. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 25 Jan 16 1.11pm

Quote Cucking Funt at 25 Jan 2016 12.48pm

Quote the silurian at 23 Jan 2016 12.23pm

Quote Seth at 23 Jan 2016 12.00pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am

Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am

Some rubbish written here.

Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly?

How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad?

And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding.

Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc.

I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union.

I know people working in UAE who get extremely well paid and pay no tax on that income, as long as they stay for 2+ years. Eventually they'll come home and will be very well off indeed.

You do know the difference between 'avoidance' and 'evasion', don't you?

About 2-3 years.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jan 16 1.15pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am Some rubbish written here. Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly? How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad? And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding. There is a spine down the middle of Bangla Desh that is relatively wealthy almost exclusively due to the chefs in Britain. Lots of people are setting themselves up homes for their retirement. Tell you what, let's not let them send their money back eh? Then they can be a burden on the British state in their dotage. Quite a few I'd guess. Project I'm on has people working in Romania, Germany, Luxemburg, Germany and the US. When you start to look at the UK oil industry and engineering you see a lot of off shore UK workers etc. Was a time when a lot of builders in the UK were working abroad as well. Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc. I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union. They'll mostly be employed by UK Based or fronting agencies. The responsibility to collect PAYE for employees is that of the employer. Nothing wrong with paying people in cash, but the responsibility lies with an employer to determine their tax status etc. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 25 Jan 16 1.15pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am

Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am

Some rubbish written here.

Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly?

How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad?

And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding.

Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc.

I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union.

They'll mostly be employed by UK Based or fronting agencies.

The responsibility to collect PAYE for employees is that of the employer. Nothing wrong with paying people in cash, but the responsibility lies with an employer to determine their tax status etc.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jan 16 1.23pm
Quote Seth at 23 Jan 2016 12.00pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am Some rubbish written here. Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly? How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad? And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding. There is a spine down the middle of Bangla Desh that is relatively wealthy almost exclusively due to the chefs in Britain. Lots of people are setting themselves up homes for their retirement. Tell you what, let's not let them send their money back eh? Then they can be a burden on the British state in their dotage. Quite a few I'd guess. Project I'm on has people working in Romania, Germany, Luxemburg, Germany and the US. When you start to look at the UK oil industry and engineering you see a lot of off shore UK workers etc. Was a time when a lot of builders in the UK were working abroad as well. Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc. I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union. I know people working in UAE who get extremely well paid and pay no tax on that income, as long as they stay for 2+ years. Eventually they'll come home and will be very well off indeed. I don't really have a problem with this. If you're not in the country, then you shouldn't be taxed by the UK, at least not fully (maybe if you have dependents here, who aren't paying tax, you should contribute a percentage of tax). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 25 Jan 16 1.23pm

Quote Seth at 23 Jan 2016 12.00pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am

Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am

Some rubbish written here.

Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly?

How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad?

And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding.

Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc.

I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union.

I know people working in UAE who get extremely well paid and pay no tax on that income, as long as they stay for 2+ years. Eventually they'll come home and will be very well off indeed.

I don't really have a problem with this. If you're not in the country, then you shouldn't be taxed by the UK, at least not fully (maybe if you have dependents here, who aren't paying tax, you should contribute a percentage of tax).

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jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Jan 16 1.28pm
Quote the silurian at 24 Jan 2016 7.19pm Quote johnfirewall at 24 Jan 2016 7.03pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Jan 2016 12.29pm Quote the silurian at 23 Jan 2016 12.23pm Quote Seth at 23 Jan 2016 12.00pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am Some rubbish written here. Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly? How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad? And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding. There is a spine down the middle of Bangla Desh that is relatively wealthy almost exclusively due to the chefs in Britain. Lots of people are setting themselves up homes for their retirement. Tell you what, let's not let them send their money back eh? Then they can be a burden on the British state in their dotage. Quite a few I'd guess. Project I'm on has people working in Romania, Germany, Luxemburg, Germany and the US. When you start to look at the UK oil industry and engineering you see a lot of off shore UK workers etc. Was a time when a lot of builders in the UK were working abroad as well. Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc. I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union. I know people working in UAE who get extremely well paid and pay no tax on that income, as long as they stay for 2+ years. Eventually they'll come home and will be very well off indeed. And why shouldn't they? That's the law/tax situation in UAE, ie you don't pay tax, the situation in UK is that you do...so ANYONE who avoids tax should be brought to book for it including Starbuck's, Vodafone and Pete the polish builder Cannot argue with anything you've said there mate. Left-wing stance is usually that things like that are insignificant in comparison with the large scale avoidance, as is benefit fraud, so only corporations or the wealthy should be punished How does earning money in a country with zero income tax equate to "avoidance" of tax??? Maybe you can enlighten me? Well one could argue a case where individuals wife and children remaining in the UK, receive access to state support via the NHS, Education, Child Services, Court Services, Police, Emergency Services so on and so forth etc. But its surprisingly difficult to actually work abroad and pay zero income tax (generally to assure that, you would need to spend less than six weeks or so in the UK, for the year and even then you'd be pushing it if you took all six weeks together). The rules on what constitutes being non-domiciled is stacked against the average bloke who works abroad. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 25 Jan 16 1.28pm

Quote the silurian at 24 Jan 2016 7.19pm

Quote johnfirewall at 24 Jan 2016 7.03pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Jan 2016 12.29pm

Quote the silurian at 23 Jan 2016 12.23pm

Quote Seth at 23 Jan 2016 12.00pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am

Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am

Some rubbish written here.

Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly?

How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad?

And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding.

Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc.

I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union.

I know people working in UAE who get extremely well paid and pay no tax on that income, as long as they stay for 2+ years. Eventually they'll come home and will be very well off indeed.

Cannot argue with anything you've said there mate.

Left-wing stance is usually that things like that are insignificant in comparison with the large scale avoidance, as is benefit fraud, so only corporations or the wealthy should be punished

How does earning money in a country with zero income tax equate to "avoidance" of tax??? Maybe you can enlighten me?

Well one could argue a case where individuals wife and children remaining in the UK, receive access to state support via the NHS, Education, Child Services, Court Services, Police, Emergency Services so on and so forth etc.

But its surprisingly difficult to actually work abroad and pay zero income tax (generally to assure that, you would need to spend less than six weeks or so in the UK, for the year and even then you'd be pushing it if you took all six weeks together). The rules on what constitutes being non-domiciled is stacked against the average bloke who works abroad.

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 02 Feb 16 9.06am
Skewing this slightly, and around this media rebranding. There was a wonderful piece of selective reporting by Riz Latif on the little BBC news round up following the One shows Woganfest last night. The woman jailed for 6 years for her activities with ISIS and taking her toddler into a warzone. Apparently according to Riz she pictured him "wearing a balaclava" - end of story. Now we all know its chilly this time of year and those of us of a certain age will remember mum trying to foist some wooly monstrosities on us in the name of keeping warm but I don't remember 6 year sentences for crimes against fashion. What the lovely Riz failed to mention was that whilst he was indeed pictured in a balaclava, he was snapped in front of an ISIS flag, with an AK-47 propped beside him with a photo caption "Father of the Jihad". Now whilst I understand the angst any 3 year old feels wearing a fashion garment that is the preserve of bank robbers and park bench paedos I would suggest that its a tad less important than a toddler being recklessly endangered by being taken to a warzone, being indoctrinated and used as a recruiting tool for a dark age violent sect that goes against everything that's right and proper and introducing junior to one of the worlds most deadly automatic weapons at such a tender age. Serious questionette - Why do the BBC feel the need to couch their approach when every right thinking person regardless of religion, nationality, ethnicity et al would consider this woman a c*nt ? Edited by The Sash (02 Feb 2016 9.07am) As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 02 Feb 16 9.06am

Skewing this slightly, and around this media rebranding.

There was a wonderful piece of selective reporting by Riz Latif on the little BBC news round up following the One shows Woganfest last night.

The woman jailed for 6 years for her activities with ISIS and taking her toddler into a warzone.

Apparently according to Riz she pictured him "wearing a balaclava" - end of story.

Now we all know its chilly this time of year and those of us of a certain age will remember mum trying to foist some wooly monstrosities on us in the name of keeping warm but I don't remember 6 year sentences for crimes against fashion.

What the lovely Riz failed to mention was that whilst he was indeed pictured in a balaclava, he was snapped in front of an ISIS flag, with an AK-47 propped beside him with a photo caption "Father of the Jihad".

Now whilst I understand the angst any 3 year old feels wearing a fashion garment that is the preserve of bank robbers and park bench paedos I would suggest that its a tad less important than a toddler being recklessly endangered by being taken to a warzone, being indoctrinated and used as a recruiting tool for a dark age violent sect that goes against everything that's right and proper and introducing junior to one of the worlds most deadly automatic weapons at such a tender age.

Serious questionette - Why do the BBC feel the need to couch their approach when every right thinking person regardless of religion, nationality, ethnicity et al would consider this woman a c*nt ?

Edited by The Sash (02 Feb 2016 9.07am)

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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Kermit8 Hevon 02 Feb 16 9.16am
^^^^^ It seems to be de rigeur these days to not call it how it is, to not call a spade a spade, to be disingenuous, etc. It's not just some at the BBC. It's anyone or anything with an agenda which veers away from common sense and rationality and want's to promote an ideal no matter how destructive or ridiculous. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 02 Feb 16 9.16am

^^^^^

It seems to be de rigeur these days to not call it how it is, to not call a spade a spade, to be disingenuous, etc.

It's not just some at the BBC. It's anyone or anything with an agenda which veers away from common sense and rationality and want's to promote an ideal no matter how destructive or ridiculous.

Big chest and massive boobs

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npn Crowborough 02 Feb 16 9.44am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Quote the silurian at 24 Jan 2016 7.19pm Quote johnfirewall at 24 Jan 2016 7.03pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Jan 2016 12.29pm Quote the silurian at 23 Jan 2016 12.23pm Quote Seth at 23 Jan 2016 12.00pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am Some rubbish written here. Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly? How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad? And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding. There is a spine down the middle of Bangla Desh that is relatively wealthy almost exclusively due to the chefs in Britain. Lots of people are setting themselves up homes for their retirement. Tell you what, let's not let them send their money back eh? Then they can be a burden on the British state in their dotage. Quite a few I'd guess. Project I'm on has people working in Romania, Germany, Luxemburg, Germany and the US. When you start to look at the UK oil industry and engineering you see a lot of off shore UK workers etc. Was a time when a lot of builders in the UK were working abroad as well. Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc. I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union. I know people working in UAE who get extremely well paid and pay no tax on that income, as long as they stay for 2+ years. Eventually they'll come home and will be very well off indeed. And why shouldn't they? That's the law/tax situation in UAE, ie you don't pay tax, the situation in UK is that you do...so ANYONE who avoids tax should be brought to book for it including Starbuck's, Vodafone and Pete the polish builder Cannot argue with anything you've said there mate. Left-wing stance is usually that things like that are insignificant in comparison with the large scale avoidance, as is benefit fraud, so only corporations or the wealthy should be punished How does earning money in a country with zero income tax equate to "avoidance" of tax??? Maybe you can enlighten me? Well one could argue a case where individuals wife and children remaining in the UK, receive access to state support via the NHS, Education, Child Services, Court Services, Police, Emergency Services so on and so forth etc. But its surprisingly difficult to actually work abroad and pay zero income tax (generally to assure that, you would need to spend less than six weeks or so in the UK, for the year and even then you'd be pushing it if you took all six weeks together). The rules on what constitutes being non-domiciled is stacked against the average bloke who works abroad. I was non-dom for a couple of years. It's both easy and completely above board (in my case, no dependents here, nothing actually to mean I ever needed to come back at all, so why on earth would I pay any tax in the UK just by virtue of having one of their passports?). Six weeks is actually quite a long time - I'd invariably come back for a couple of weeks in the summer, and then back for a couple of weeks at Christmas. That was plenty
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Crowborough 02 Feb 16 9.44am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Quote the silurian at 24 Jan 2016 7.19pm

Quote johnfirewall at 24 Jan 2016 7.03pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Jan 2016 12.29pm

Quote the silurian at 23 Jan 2016 12.23pm

Quote Seth at 23 Jan 2016 12.00pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jan 2016 11.14am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Jan 2016 10.33am

Quote Mapletree at 22 Jan 2016 10.22am

Some rubbish written here.

Britain's 'invisible earnings' are what exactly?

How many Brit expats spend long periods working abroad?

And wouldn't you prefer Kosovans to send their hard-earned back than have to support their country's development through other funding.

Saudi Arabia has a lot of British workers and defence has a lot of overseas commitments through NATO etc.

I doubt that any of them are paid in cash and send it home to Ethel and the kids via the Post Office or Western Union.

I know people working in UAE who get extremely well paid and pay no tax on that income, as long as they stay for 2+ years. Eventually they'll come home and will be very well off indeed.

Cannot argue with anything you've said there mate.

Left-wing stance is usually that things like that are insignificant in comparison with the large scale avoidance, as is benefit fraud, so only corporations or the wealthy should be punished

How does earning money in a country with zero income tax equate to "avoidance" of tax??? Maybe you can enlighten me?

I was non-dom for a couple of years. It's both easy and completely above board (in my case, no dependents here, nothing actually to mean I ever needed to come back at all, so why on earth would I pay any tax in the UK just by virtue of having one of their passports?).

Six weeks is actually quite a long time - I'd invariably come back for a couple of weeks in the summer, and then back for a couple of weeks at Christmas. That was plenty

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