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A very silly article. Firstly, it assumes that everyone is like the person commenting, which they are not. In fact the vast majority don't smoke or want to be anywhere near someone who does. Why do some people want to take the wingeing of an addict seriously ? Edited by TheJudge (15 Aug 2015 10.05am) Isn't a carcinogen.
When it comes to people hooked on addictive substances telling me how they should have the right to pollute the air, I am very intolerant. Smoking has no use other than to facilitate self indulgence. Edited by TheJudge (15 Aug 2015 10.47am)
So a straw man argument followed by a hugely inaccurate assumption. Good work. I have been called a few things, but "Leftie" ?
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Quote TheJudge at 15 Aug 2015 2.45pm
Enough already. I'm abandoning all of you smokers and smoker enablers to your cloudy, wheezy, stinky, carcinogenic heaven. I'm out.
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| cpfanron andover 18 Aug 15 9.38am |
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Quote becky at 15 Aug 2015 3.12pm
Quote TheJudge at 15 Aug 2015 2.45pm
Enough already. I'm abandoning all of you smokers and smoker enablers to your cloudy, wheezy, stinky, carcinogenic heaven. I'm out.
Also take an even bigger breath, you may pass the disgusting bar-bar Q smoke that wafts through the air that hopefully pollutes the so called judges lungs,F------, windbag!!!
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Aug 15 9.43am |
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Quote TheJudge at 15 Aug 2015 10.47am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Aug 2015 10.17am
Quote TheJudge at 15 Aug 2015 10.04am
A very silly article. Firstly, it assumes that everyone is like the person commenting, which they are not. In fact the vast majority don't smoke or want to be anywhere near someone who does. Why do some people want to take the wingeing of an addict seriously ? Edited by TheJudge (15 Aug 2015 10.05am) Isn't a carcinogen.
When it comes to people hooked on addictive substances telling me how they should have the right to pollute the air, I am very intolerant. Smoking has no use other than to facilitate self indulgence. Edited by TheJudge (15 Aug 2015 10.47am) All existence is an exercise in self indulgence but they have the right to pollute the air, provided they are not causing you any harm. They have this right, because as citizens they are entitled to use public space, as all citizens are.
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Aug 15 9.45am |
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Quote Cucking Funt at 15 Aug 2015 4.10pm
Quote TheJudge at 15 Aug 2015 2.41pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 15 Aug 2015 11.18am
Quote TheJudge at 15 Aug 2015 10.47am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Aug 2015 10.17am
Quote TheJudge at 15 Aug 2015 10.04am
A very silly article. Firstly, it assumes that everyone is like the person commenting, which they are not. In fact the vast majority don't smoke or want to be anywhere near someone who does. Why do some people want to take the wingeing of an addict seriously ? Edited by TheJudge (15 Aug 2015 10.05am) Isn't a carcinogen.
When it comes to people hooked on addictive substances telling me how they should have the right to pollute the air, I am very intolerant. Smoking has no use other than to facilitate self indulgence. Edited by TheJudge (15 Aug 2015 10.47am)
So a straw man argument followed by a hugely inaccurate assumption. Good work. I have been called a few things, but "Leftie" ?
I'd imagine that Stalin was pretty pro-smoking, after all you can't personally order the death of everyone. Nazi's were one of the first major anti-smoking campaigners, unless they were smoking 'undesirables'
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| TheJudge 18 Aug 15 10.36am |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Aug 2015 9.43am
Quote TheJudge at 15 Aug 2015 10.47am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Aug 2015 10.17am
Quote TheJudge at 15 Aug 2015 10.04am
A very silly article. Firstly, it assumes that everyone is like the person commenting, which they are not. In fact the vast majority don't smoke or want to be anywhere near someone who does. Why do some people want to take the wingeing of an addict seriously ? Edited by TheJudge (15 Aug 2015 10.05am) Isn't a carcinogen.
When it comes to people hooked on addictive substances telling me how they should have the right to pollute the air, I am very intolerant. Smoking has no use other than to facilitate self indulgence. Edited by TheJudge (15 Aug 2015 10.47am) All existence is an exercise in self indulgence but they have the right to pollute the air, provided they are not causing you any harm. They have this right, because as citizens they are entitled to use public space, as all citizens are.
Our rights are balanced against the good of our society. That's what laws are for. Surely you know this.
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| TheJudge 18 Aug 15 10.37am |
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Quote cpfanron at 18 Aug 2015 9.38am
Quote becky at 15 Aug 2015 3.12pm
Quote TheJudge at 15 Aug 2015 2.45pm
Enough already. I'm abandoning all of you smokers and smoker enablers to your cloudy, wheezy, stinky, carcinogenic heaven. I'm out.
Also take an even bigger breath, you may pass the disgusting bar-bar Q smoke that wafts through the air that hopefully pollutes the so called judges lungs,F------, windbag!!! You must be a nicotine addict. How's that going for you ?
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| johnfirewall 18 Aug 15 12.18pm |
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You get smoke blown in your face or end up down-wind of it walking down a busy street. At least sitting at a bench in a pub garden, your smoking friends are more likely to consciously blow it in the other direction wind permitting. Banning smoking with kids in a car is a sensible move but I don't really know who the pub garden ban is designed to protect. Scummy parents smoking over their kids are on every high-street.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Aug 15 12.56pm |
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Quote TheJudge at 18 Aug 2015 10.36am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Aug 2015 9.43am
Quote TheJudge at 15 Aug 2015 10.47am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Aug 2015 10.17am
Quote TheJudge at 15 Aug 2015 10.04am
A very silly article. Firstly, it assumes that everyone is like the person commenting, which they are not. In fact the vast majority don't smoke or want to be anywhere near someone who does. Why do some people want to take the wingeing of an addict seriously ? Edited by TheJudge (15 Aug 2015 10.05am) Isn't a carcinogen.
When it comes to people hooked on addictive substances telling me how they should have the right to pollute the air, I am very intolerant. Smoking has no use other than to facilitate self indulgence. Edited by TheJudge (15 Aug 2015 10.47am) All existence is an exercise in self indulgence but they have the right to pollute the air, provided they are not causing you any harm. They have this right, because as citizens they are entitled to use public space, as all citizens are.
Our rights are balanced against the good of our society. That's what laws are for. Surely you know this. Smoking doesn't harm the 'good of society', in any real meaningful way, and contributes a large amount of revenue. The good of society is protected better by allowing freedom of individuals to make decisions for themselves, than dictating acceptable behavior, especially where consensus of right is divided among the populace. Plus of course, you weren't presenting an argument based on social good and social well being, but on personal distaste and personal opinion.
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| TheJudge 18 Aug 15 1.22pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Aug 2015 12.56pm
Quote TheJudge at 18 Aug 2015 10.36am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Aug 2015 9.43am
Quote TheJudge at 15 Aug 2015 10.47am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Aug 2015 10.17am
Quote TheJudge at 15 Aug 2015 10.04am
A very silly article. Firstly, it assumes that everyone is like the person commenting, which they are not. In fact the vast majority don't smoke or want to be anywhere near someone who does. Why do some people want to take the wingeing of an addict seriously ? Edited by TheJudge (15 Aug 2015 10.05am) Isn't a carcinogen.
When it comes to people hooked on addictive substances telling me how they should have the right to pollute the air, I am very intolerant. Smoking has no use other than to facilitate self indulgence. Edited by TheJudge (15 Aug 2015 10.47am) All existence is an exercise in self indulgence but they have the right to pollute the air, provided they are not causing you any harm. They have this right, because as citizens they are entitled to use public space, as all citizens are.
Our rights are balanced against the good of our society. That's what laws are for. Surely you know this. Smoking doesn't harm the 'good of society', in any real meaningful way, and contributes a large amount of revenue. The good of society is protected better by allowing freedom of individuals to make decisions for themselves, than dictating acceptable behavior, especially where consensus of right is divided among the populace. Plus of course, you weren't presenting an argument based on social good and social well being, but on personal distaste and personal opinion.
You state as if a fact that smoking doesn't harm society and then say that my view is just an opinion. News alert. Your assertion is just an opinion as well. The difference is that there is scientific proof that passive smoking is bad for the health. In any case, smoking is not harmless a past time, it is a genuine addiction. It boils down to a group of addicts and their enablers telling us, the majority of non smokers, that we should tolerate their disgusting unhealthy stink because we are mean and small minded not to. Poppycock. Maybe we should allow pubs to open a crack house next to the kiddies play area. That will boost their turnover. Edited by TheJudge (18 Aug 2015 1.23pm)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Aug 15 1.42pm |
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Quote TheJudge at 18 Aug 2015 1.22pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Aug 2015 12.56pm
Quote TheJudge at 18 Aug 2015 10.36am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Aug 2015 9.43am
Quote TheJudge at 15 Aug 2015 10.47am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Aug 2015 10.17am
Quote TheJudge at 15 Aug 2015 10.04am
A very silly article. Firstly, it assumes that everyone is like the person commenting, which they are not. In fact the vast majority don't smoke or want to be anywhere near someone who does. Why do some people want to take the wingeing of an addict seriously ? Edited by TheJudge (15 Aug 2015 10.05am) Isn't a carcinogen.
When it comes to people hooked on addictive substances telling me how they should have the right to pollute the air, I am very intolerant. Smoking has no use other than to facilitate self indulgence. Edited by TheJudge (15 Aug 2015 10.47am) All existence is an exercise in self indulgence but they have the right to pollute the air, provided they are not causing you any harm. They have this right, because as citizens they are entitled to use public space, as all citizens are.
Our rights are balanced against the good of our society. That's what laws are for. Surely you know this. Smoking doesn't harm the 'good of society', in any real meaningful way, and contributes a large amount of revenue. The good of society is protected better by allowing freedom of individuals to make decisions for themselves, than dictating acceptable behavior, especially where consensus of right is divided among the populace. Plus of course, you weren't presenting an argument based on social good and social well being, but on personal distaste and personal opinion.
You state as if a fact that smoking doesn't harm society and then say that my view is just an opinion. News alert. Your assertion is just an opinion as well. The difference is that there is scientific proof that passive smoking is bad for the health. In any case, smoking is not harmless a past time, it is a genuine addiction. It boils down to a group of addicts and their enablers telling us, the majority of non smokers, that we should tolerate their disgusting unhealthy stink because we are mean and small minded not to. Poppycock. Maybe we should allow pubs to open a crack house next to the kiddies play area. That will boost their turnover. Edited by TheJudge (18 Aug 2015 1.23pm) An individuals health is not the good of society. Society is a collective of individuals. Collectively it raises revenue for society, from taxation. Also, paradoxically, it reduces the burden on the state in terms of individuals, due to the 33% of smokers who die prematurely (thus reducing the burden in terms of state pension, care provision and the cost of treating late life diseases). See there is an issue you are missing, regarding health, everyone is going to die, sooner or later. So the good of society, and the individual's health are not the same thing. Its also better for the good of society, to allow people the agency of choice, where no definitive consensus can be reached, as opposed to a 'moralist tyranny'. The down side, is that some people find smoking to be distasteful and unpleasant. You also don't have to tolerate their unhealthy stink, as exposure to fresh air renders second hand smoke insignificant, due to the dispersion in open air. Even in a relatively small pub, with a garden, you have plenty of space, generally, to avoid smoke (not least indoors).
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| Stuk Top half 18 Aug 15 1.54pm |
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Quote johnfirewall at 18 Aug 2015 12.18pm
You get smoke blown in your face or end up down-wind of it walking down a busy street. At least sitting at a bench in a pub garden, your smoking friends are more likely to consciously blow it in the other direction wind permitting. Banning smoking with kids in a car is a sensible move but I don't really know who the pub garden ban is designed to protect. Scummy parents smoking over their kids are on every high-street.
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